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2020-07-16, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pathfinder wolf shaman
Im going to be playing a wolf shaman. Their wild shape functions better for canine forms and worse for non canine forms. Can assorted peeps send me a list of canine monsters that are applicable targets?
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What about Blink dogs and goblin dogs and the assorted magical wolfs and foxes?
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The wild shape functions as the beast shape line of spells, which do allow you to turn into a magical beast at 3 and up. There isn't much point, as the list of abilities you get is limited, but it should be possible i thought?
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That just seems wrong. Why the hell would it be that?
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Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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Here's the exact wording - form comes first, then the spell you reference for crunch, every time.
At 4th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any small or Medium animal and back again once per day.Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animal type. This ability functions like the beast shape I spell, except as noted here.
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At 6th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Large or Tiny animal or a Small elemental. When taking the form of an animal, a druid’s wild shape now functions as beast shape II. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape functions as elemental body I.
At 8th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Huge or Diminutive animal, a Medium elemental, or a Small or Medium plant creature. When taking the form of animals, a druid’s wild shape now functions as beast shape III. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape now functions as elemental body II. When taking the form of a plant creature, the druid’s wild shape functions as plant shape I.
At 10th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Large elemental or a Large plant creature. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape now functions as elemental body III. When taking the form of a plant, the druid’s wild shape now functions as plant shape II.
At 12th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Huge elemental or a Huge plant creature. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape now functions as elemental body IV. When taking the form of a plant, the druid’s wild shape now functions as plant shape III.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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So druids
have no access to polymorph buffs normally
have no feats which expand the list
have a more restricted list than the spells would normally provide
cant use the vast majority of abilities provided by the spell, due to all targets being non magical.
dont get access to beast shape 4 or magical beast shapeLast edited by mehs; 2020-07-17 at 05:27 PM.
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2020-07-17, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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That is entirely correct.
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2020-07-17, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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So other than being able to shapeshift for longer durations, they are directly worst shapeshifters than wizards. If a wizard just gets a ring on continuation, they are better in pretty much every way
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Uh no - putting aside that most polymorph spells (including the whole beast shape line) don't actually work with that ring, this is nonsense. Wild Shape can't be dispelled, doesn't provoke or have components, lasts all day natively, you can cast spells while shapeshifted in every single form as early as level 5, and has gotten tons of item/feat/spell/archetype support over the years. Do arcane casters have more shapeshifting options, yes, but in practical terms Wild Shape is one of the most powerful non-spellcasting class features in the game.
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Timber Wolf Pathfinder
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Legendary Wolf (3.5)
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2020-07-17, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Just" get a ring of continuation? Have you seen how friggin' expensive those are? You realistically can't afford that before level 14.
Druid has more BAB, hit points, and saves than wizard; plus Natural Spell; plus a free flanking buddy. No, wizards aren't the best shapeshifters here (and there are more contenders than these two classes, anyway).Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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Druids can combat better, but wizards have much, much more versatility. Name of the game as a whole might as well be 'whi has more versatility?'.
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Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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Honestly I think if you are making a shaman, the DM should allow you to pick the feats for your specialized animal for all 9 SNA / CR ranges. Furthermore it makes sense to allow advancement options where you can add HD to the animals much like you could do in 3.5 with improving monsters.
Yes I know this is house rules, but that is just how I feel about it.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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wolf shaman is a druid archetype. Polymorph in pathfinder also only really cares about the size, creature type, and special abilities of the creature in question, not the hd.