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Thread: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-11, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2020-08-11, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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JonnyPatches.
I'm sorry that you have to die D2 while new on this forum, but it's way too good of a chance to ignore this.
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2020-08-11, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
@Aventine Are we getting a replacement for Snow?
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Xihirli 2 (Apogee, JeenLeen)
Caoimhin 1 (Jonny)
Jonny 4 (AvatarVecna, Caoimhin, Unavenger, Elenna)
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2020-08-11, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
7 votes required for majority:
Xihirli 2 (Apogee, JeenLeen)
Caoimhin 1 (Jonny)
Jonny 5 (AvatarVecna, Caoimhin, Unavenger, Elenna, Valmark)
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2020-08-11, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
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2020-08-11, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Just so it gets in before we have a lynch: Town should NOT claim immediately tomorrow. We don't need to make that information public yet.
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2020-08-11, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Unvote: CaoimhinTheCape Vote: JonnyPatches
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2020-08-11, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm of the opinion that we should all be mass-claiming already. The werewolf and spy are outed, so our goal is to get as many official claims in before there's too many dead roles that won't get claimed.
13 players currently alive, 1 dead. Of those 13, JeenLeen is wolf, Elenna is probably Spy, Unavenger/Xihirli are probably wolves, and that leaves the rest of us with a single Junior Witch hidden among our ranks. The three witches have reason to fakeclaim, but right now there's only one role to fakeclaim which is...whatever gac3 was. Well, maybe two, depending on if Snowblaze is the JW or not.
But if we wait until tomorrow to mass-claim, then we probably have one more dead person tomorrow (maybe more, depending on Sacrifices). Now sure, Unavenger and Xihirli claiming anything probably isn't gonna be believed at this point. But the JW would still need to be found, and there's no reason to give whoever that is any more unclaimed roles to hide behind than necessary.
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2020-08-11, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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I see your point, but the problem is that Snow may or may not be around to vote. If we telegraph which town members will survive the night, we could end up with a situation where we have 3 town, 3 wolves, and Snow to be voting during the day. We definitely do not want that, especially since Xi will live the first time they are lynched. We need them to be burning their kills on Survivalist/Traveler.
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Numbers-wise, we go into the Night with 10 people (7 town and 3 witches).
I count 12 people alive, 1 dead.
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It's possible to claim now and be fine but we're threading a very thin line, especially with one player slot likely not being around to vote.
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2020-08-11, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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The logical part of me agrees with AV that we should mass claim sooner rather than later. The paranoid part wants to wait till tomorrow just in case something goes wrong and the werewolf lives. Plus I'm not convinced everyone will get around to claiming before EOD anyways, and there isn't too much point in only some people claiming.
Not that it affects what I'm doing, anyways, since a) I already claimed and b) I'll probably die tonight...I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2020-08-11, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
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Xihirli 2 (Apogee, JeenLeen)
Jonny 6 (AvatarVecna, Caoimhin, Unavenger, Elenna, Valmark, Jonny)
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Hmm, thinking it over tomorrow may be an ok time to claim but I definitely don't like doing it now.
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We also get rid of some confusion if the Martyr is able to help out overnight. We'll know the Martyr isn't in the game anymore and it could save someone helpful.
Question on Martyr - can they Martyr themselves for the Vengeful Bastard? So VB would still be in the game?
If not, there's one priority target tonight that I'd want to save.
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2020-08-11, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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D2: lynch JonnyPatches+JeenLeen. Town 8 vs witches 3.
N2: sacrifice Elenna, NK two townies. Town 5 vs witches 3.
D3: lynch Unavenger. Town 5 vs witches 2.
N3: NK one townie. Town 4 vs witches 2.
D4: lynch Xihirli (fails). Town 4 vs witches 2.
N4: NK one townie. Town 3 vs witches 2.
D5: lynch Xihirli (succeeds). Town 3 vs witches 1.
N5: NK one townie. Town 2 vs witches 1.
D6: The two remaining townies need to figure out who the JW is.
This is the worst-case scenario for town, where Witches know exactly who to target at all times, such that they maximize kills. Town still controls every single lynch and knows who to lynch every single day until Final 3.
In order for JW to have a chance at surviving Final 3 and winning the game, they need to have not double-claimed, or else that'll get questioned throughout the game and we'll figure them out in time. So JW wants to claim as an unclaimed role.
D2: lynch JonnyPatches+JeenLeen. Town 8 vs witches 3.
D3: lynch Unavenger. Town 5 vs witches 2.
If we force a mass-claim right now, it doesn't matter that witches know who to kill, because the main witches are screwed and the JW is probably screwed as well. If we force a mass-claim tomorrow, the main witches are still screwed, but the JW has a 50/50 shot of lucking into a role that won't arouse suspicion - and they have the opportunity to join the wolves without Elenna around to narc on them, which gives them the opportunity to talk strategy with their fellow witches about what to claim.
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Unvote for now. I'm around to hammer if needed but I wanna talk this out.
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2020-08-11, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
My question is more of when does the Martyr save someone?
If we can game it so VB is "killed" and their power goes off to kill Jeen (so both would be dying) but then the Martyr steps in... could we get both a Jeen death and then keep the VB around?
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2020-08-11, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's a potential use for the Martyr. Another potential one is...actually, has it been clarified that a Martyr can jump in front of an "unblockable kill"? Like, if the survivalist/traveler claim, and they get targeted for a kill in the night anyway, the Martyr would be informed and could jump in front of it, "wasting" the super-kill on a target that a super-kill wasn't needed for, such that wolves will now either need another super-kill or two kills to kill the Survivalist or Traveler? Or can the Martyr not block the unblockable kill?
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2020-08-11, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Your math is slightly off. We started the game with 13 players and gac is dead. So we have 12 now.
D2: lynch JonnyPatches+JeenLeen. Town 7 vs witches 3.
N2: sacrifice Elenna, NK two townies. Town 4 vs witches 3.
D3: lynch Unavenger. Town 4 vs witches 2.
N3: NK one townie. Town 3 vs witches 2.
D4: lynch Xihirli (fails). Town 3 vs witches 2.
N4: NK one townie. Town 2 vs witches 2.
D5: tie, no lynch. Town 2 vs witches 2.
N5: NK one townie. Town 1 vs witches 2.
D6: Loss
That's my math.
If we tell the witches right now who will survive their night kills, we lose by my math.
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2020-08-11, 09:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
With the plan of mass claiming now, we give them exactly what they need to pick the right targets to run through my scenario. We'd need Martyr to pull something off in order to help us out and even then I'm not sure.
If Snow was around to ensure a vote I'd feel better, but we have the face the possibility to go into tomorrow with 3 town, 3 Witches, and Snow.
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That's what I initially wanted. But if we block the sacrifice kill and keep Elena around, that means Witches can sacrifice again the next day.
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2020-08-11, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can't find anymore the post where Aventine detailed how each role died, but I reckon the unblockable kill does nothing to the Traveler. They don't block a kill, they die and come back once so they should survive.
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2020-08-11, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not quite. The only reason they can sacrifice tonight is cuz we're killing Jonny instead of Unavenger. Tonight, they try to sacrifice and fail, tomorrow we kill Unavenger, tomorrow night they sacrifice Elenna anyway, but they don't get the assassin bonus kill.
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That's the Survivalist. The Traveler is immune to the NK - at least, the basic one.
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2020-08-11, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Found the post for ya.
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Jinx! You owe me a hardclaim!
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Bunny Of Faith has been inactive, which is probably why they were guessed to be the Judge. But also it makes things worse for us if we're counting on their vote. And cuz of game rules, we probably shouldn't be poking them about it either... >.>
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2020-08-11, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
D2: lynch JonnyPatches+JeenLeen. Town 7 vs witches 3.
N2: sacrifice Elenna, NK two townies. Martyr saves Elenna. Town 4 vs witches 3.
D3: lynch Unavenger. Town 4 vs witches 2.
N3: sacrifice Elenna, NK one townie. Town 2 vs witches 2.
D4: lynch Xihirli (fails). Town 2 vs witches 2.
N4: NK one townie. Town 1 vs witches 2.
D5: Loss
Oh. Maybe we don't save Elenna. That is literally worse, since we're losing 2 townies on Night 3 (Elenna and whoever they NK)
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2020-08-11, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ops. Well, I really wanted to say that one of the roles mentioned already survived the kill, so this still works.
On another note, it's good that we already know who the Traveler is, if they get the unblockable kill the Martyr knows to step in.
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2020-08-11, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's worse because if the sacrifice kill gets blocked, witches failed to sacrifice one of their own, and thus didn't get the unblockable kill or the assassin extra kill. I think that's how it would work, but I don't know for sure. I'd want confirmation that the Martyr blocking the sacrifice kill upsets the whole sacrifice mechanic.
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2020-08-11, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-11, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Witch Hunt!
Assuming AV is the traveler, yes.
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I think you meant to say it's better - if the way you described is how it works than that is 1000% better.
Basically, we need to know more of the Martyr mechanics before I can choose which is best.
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2020-08-11, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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