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2020-11-27, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, this is a good point. My idea does not fit Haleys description of the trap.
On the other hand, she does not seem to know in detail what this trap is supposed to do. In the pyramid, she knew exactly what every part of the trap would do (meteor swarm, stoneskin etc)
So, this trap seems to be an unusual kind. Haley might really be just high level enough to find the trap and work with it, without understanding the details.
On the other hand, bypassing a trap is harder than disabling it completely. If Haley felt she had a good chance at bypassing, the trap could not be THAT complicated.
About the level difference between H. and S.
I think, S is supposed to be low epic, while H is high-non-epic. So a difference of about 5 levels?
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2020-11-27, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Perhaps the trap is in two parts. Haley disabled the first one. The second, harder to detect, activates a portal only if the first one is disarmed or disabled.
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2020-11-27, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
there is something in the character arc of a wizard that becomes cocky, then fails, theb acknowledges his cockiness and admits that he was wrong, then becomes super helpful to the party that i simply love. in the case of V is been done masterfully
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2020-11-27, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
My quatloos are that they're going to run into - maybe literally - the paladin-stealing invisible peoples. Might be on their way to the gate, might not be (I'm not convinced that this is the gate route yet), but might be interesting. Downside is that the invisible voices didn't seem to head into a door, but maybe they can teleport into their lair, or there's another entrance.
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2020-11-27, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I'd agree, except Find Traps doesn't last very long, 1 minute per level. Even Extended, it doesn't sound like the kind of buff he could constantly keep running. Plus, as noted, even if he could now Search for traps like a Rogue, he likely doesn't have a high Search skill.
The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that there are very few obvious traps requiring a Rogue, in any of the dungeons. If there were, Oona would have had them bring a Rogue along, and since Rogue is the favored class of Bugbears, there's likely one or two of them around. Even in an isolated village like theirs. TE seems fine dungeon crawling w/o one, and they've gone through a bunch of doors already, so there likely aren't many or any obvious traps at all. Versus the trapfest the Pyramid was.
If Rogues aren't needed, Rogues won't be brought along, and the entrance magic runes are likely to not have been discovered.
For the poster who mentioned V and six other entities getting the telepathic link, does that imply a 17th level for V? And if so, does that mean V can throw 9th level spells around now? Like Wish, or Disjunction?
EDIT: Oh, and doesn't the Ioun Stone bauble on Blackwing need to be "close" to V in order to get the Caster Level bump?Last edited by Ghosty; 2020-11-27 at 03:00 PM.
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2020-11-27, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Am i the only one who thinks they should remove the rat head?
I also notice there is a line on the wall after the trap is disarmed. I'm more and more convinced by the dimensional portal theory.
Quippie?
The Share Spells feature only work as long as the familiar remains within 5 feet.
Familiars in 3.5 are not spirits that take the form of an animal, they're actual animals being improved by magic.
As someone else said, if Blackwing is killed, V will have to get him raised with usual cost, and cannot have another one for a year and a day.
He will also lose a significant number of XP. 100 XP per level if he succeed a Fortitude save, 200 XP per level if he doesn't.
Quite a blast.
Coming to think of it, maybe V didn't achieve ultimate arcane power with the soul splice. Maybe he will achieve ultimate arcane power one day thanks to the character growth he started because of the soul splice.Last edited by Petrocorus; 2020-11-27 at 03:12 PM.
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2020-11-27, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Aww, Team Good is teaming real good.
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2020-11-27, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I don't make the crazy rules, I just twist them to my purpose
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2020-11-27, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
For any sufficient level of "challenge", these are not mutually exclusive.
And the means to challenge or destroy can still be designed to target a broad range of skills (or weaknesses). One could argue this approach would actually make for a stronger defense anyway.
I think this is key to the above. Elan and Thor made clear the world runs on narrative tropes.
A villain will probably attack the dungeon in kind with the dungeon's defenses. Xykon overtook the Dungeon of Dorukan by winning an epic arcane duel... just like Dorukan would have it. Xykon captured the Sapphire Throne by overwhelming Azure City's military... just like Soon would have it. Xykon tries to fight his way through Monster Hollow... just like Kraagor would have it. Just another challenge met head on in the obvious way it presents itself.
But a genuine adventuring party fumbling their way through? Chances are they're here to save the world.
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2020-11-27, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Frankly I don't know how much adherent to the rules is, but in our groups "search" is an active skill, spot is a passive one.
You can search a whole room, with time, for traps.
You can spot immediately (no turn wasted) something out of place in that room, like some tiny holes in the wall.
At that point you say to the rogue to search for traps, and the rogue can find if the holes are effectively a trap, the kind of trap, the mechanism and sometimes a little more.
So basically we detect possible traps with spot and identify them (if they are traps at all) with search.
But, again, that was how we did it when I started to play, this is how we did it when I GMered, and everything seemed logical, but I'm not sure the rules agree with our logic.
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2020-11-27, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-11-27, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-11-27, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Disagree for two reasons
Spoiler1. Xykon's only gotten truly mad from two sources: a direct threat to continued existence, and wizardly belittling of his class. His reaction to "we need a rogue" is more likely to be "dang, better find one".
2. Right-Eye was years ago now, but more importantly, Xykon was totally clued in to his desire to kill him, hence the anti-undead sneak attack ring. Odds are Right-Eye would not be around Team Evil right now even if Redcloak didn't intervene."They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2020-11-27, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Panel 7, Haley says "OK, I've got it figured it out". Is that meant to be "I've got it figured out" or "I've got it; I figured it out"?
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2020-11-27, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
With regard to Find Traps, it's great for the stated purpose, but doesn't grant the ability to disarm anything.
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2020-11-27, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Why is everyone assuming that the trick here is "being good at spotting traps"?
What this page strongly implies is that you have to understand the trick, after you've spotted (and not necessarily disarmed) the trap.
That's why Haley left the rat skull there. She'll explain later, but it's probably to keep the "new path" open, or something.
And it would make a lot of sense for the answer to the question "which of these doors is the real entrance?" to be "none of the above".
Because anyone would be naturally drawn to the conclusion that they have to try a different door... whether they have a high level rogue in their party or not.Last edited by ManuelSacha; 2020-11-27 at 07:05 PM.
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2020-11-27, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2020-11-27, 07:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Telepathic Bond is indeed a very fine spell. Except when telepathically bonded with Blackwing.
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2020-11-27, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-11-27, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
So since telepathic bond was used and there are targets on both sides of what appears to be some kind of portal, I'm calling it now: When the 20 seconds are up and the trap reverts back to before Haley messed with it, Blackwing is going to get cut off because the party is on either on another plane or somewhere completely encased in multidimensional stone.
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2020-11-27, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
As a birder, seeing a raven described as "very small" is funny to me.
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2020-11-27, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I was going to say exactly this.
They are the two most powerful bad guys with a shared agenda that happened to survive every other trial so far. Underlings are disposible, and rarely revived. See: Tsukiko.
Basically, they aren't the the kind to find a rogue and have him level with them, reviving him if need be. They just take whatever allies stumble upon them, for the time they last, and just move on afterwards.Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2020-11-27, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-27, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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