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2021-08-20, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
Welcome to Round 42 of the Villainous Competition!
Previous Competitions
Spoiler
Round One: Leader of Armies
Round Two: Nature's Revenger
Round Three: Double Agent
Round Four: Grave Keeper
Round Five: Crime Lord
Round Six: Ultimate Predator
Round Seven: Wicked Witch
Round Eight: Master of the Tundra
Round Nine: The Power of Villainous Thinking
Round Ten: Henchman Are Villains Too
Round Eleven: The Higher They Rise The Harder They Fall
Round Twelve: Power Comes at a Price
Round Thirteen: The Gadgeteer - You Are Not Batman
Round Fourteen: The Thing That Should Not Be
Round Fifteen: The Horsemen Are Drawing Nearer
Round Sixteen: Burn Baby Burn
Round Seventeen: It's Alive!
Round Eighteen: This is Heresy
Round Nineteen: He Slimed Me!
Round Twenty: Elder Evil
Round Twenty-One: Yarr!
Round Twenty-Two: I Am The Night!
Round Twenty-Three: Two Heads Are Better Than One!
Round Twenty-Four: Wrong For The Right Reasons!
Round Twenty-Five: Keeper of the Gate
Round Twenty-Six: Get In MY BELLY (Swallow Whole)
Round Twenty-Seven: Multiple Personality Disorder
Round Twenty-Eight: Tiny Only!
Round Twenty-Nine: Halloween Special
Round Thirty: One Feat to Rule Them ALL
Round Thirty-One: In Cold Blood
Round Thirty-Two: oh HELL NO!
Round Thirty-Three: The Do Over
Round Thirty-Four: Sword and Board
Round Thirty-Five: I Shall Call Him Mini Me!
Round Thirty-Six: The Broken Man
Round Thirty-Seven: Yin and Yang
Round Thirty Eight: Spooks and Spectres
Round Thirty Nine: Sorta Psuedo
Round Forty: Negative Nancy
Round Forty One: Gojira!
We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.
Contestants:
You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15 CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:
Secret Laboratory:
Competitors will be free to use any official 1st party (WotC) 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Compendium is allowed, but Dragon magazine is disallowed. Unearthed Arcana is allowed. Unupdated 3.0 materials, as well as web exclusives by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. Leadership and all similar abilities are banned for sanity reasons.
Builds that are fully monstrous are allowed at no penalty. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels.
Elite array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8) is the assumed ability score generation method.
Some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats as soon as their ECL is over 20. While regular Epic feats will be allowed, Epic Spellcasting and all other Epic feats that affect spells, psionic powers, or item creation are not permitted. Including these would give an unfair advantage over standard characters. For Incarnum characters, Epic Open Chakra feats are allowed; other Epic Incarnum feats are not. The Essentia Capacity increases for Epic capacity as described on p. 212. For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20.
Deadlines:
Contestants will have until September 24th, 0700 hours MST to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until however long it takes to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. Deadlines are subject to extension as/if required.
Judging:
Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.
Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:
Originality - Is it unexpected?
Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?
Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?
Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG players long to finally kill and then talk about for weeks?
Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 1 if it makes the field unfair.)
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
You may not judge if you entered the contest, unless you withdraw your submission.
Presentation:
Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
Note:
There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.
Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.
Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
SpoilerCode immediately below (spoiler).CR Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features 1 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 2 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 3 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 4 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 5 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 6 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 7 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 8 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 9 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 10 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 11 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 12 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 13 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 14 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 15 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 16 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 17 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 18 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 19 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 20 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities Spoiler[table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
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[th][B]CR[/B][/th]
[th][B]Class[/B][/th]
[th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]
[th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]
[th][B]Skills[/B][/th]
[th][B]Feats[/B][/th]
[th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]
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[td]1[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]2[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
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[td]6[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
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[td]9[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]10[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]11[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
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[td]12[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
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[td]13[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]17[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]18[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]20[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
You can use the table below for Spells.
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Spells per Day/Spells Known
Spells per Day/Spells Known
Code Immediately Below,Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 1st - - - - - - - - - - 2nd - - - - - - - - - - 3rd - - - - - - - - - - 4th - - - - - - - - - - 5th - - - - - - - - - - 6th - - - - - - - - - - 7th - - - - - - - - - - 8th - - - - - - - - - - 9th - - - - - - - - - - 10th - - - - - - - - - - 11th - - - - - - - - - - 12th - - - - - - - - - - 13th - - - - - - - - - - 14th - - - - - - - - - - 15th - - - - - - - - - - 16th - - - - - - - - - - 17th - - - - - - - - - - 18th - - - - - - - - - - 19th - - - - - - - - - - 20th - - - - - - - - - - Spoiler
[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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[th][B]Level[/B][/th]
[th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]
[th][B]1st[/B][/th]
[th][B]2nd[/B][/th]
[th][B]3rd[/B][/th]
[th][B]4th[/B][/th]
[th][B]5th[/B][/th]
[th][B]6th[/B][/th]
[th][B]7th[/B][/th]
[th][B]8th[/B][/th]
[th][B]9th[/B][/th]
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[td]1st[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
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[td]2nd[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
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[td]3rd[/td]
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[td]4th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]5th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]7th[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[td]8th[/td]
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[td]9th[/td]
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[td]10th[/td]
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[td]11th[/td]
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[td]12th[/td]
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[td]13th[/td]
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[td]14th[/td]
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[td]15th[/td]
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[td]16th[/td]
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[td]17th[/td]
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[td]18th[/td]
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[td]19th[/td]
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[td]20th[/td]
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[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Speculation:
Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
Once builds are revealed, please do not comment on errors or rules issues on entries unless you are a judge. If you have such a comment, wait until the final reveal to post it.
Get ready to share those Evil thoughts. This edition’s villain is:
Caine?!
Limitations
- Must feature unarmed combat
- any entry utilizing spellcasting/psionics can ONLY use buffs or debuffs
- Spirit Lion Totem is banned
- Must be Evil
We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.
So, start your evil plotting!
Submission:
To standardize Entries, please use this format when sending it in:
PM: Jdizzlean
Subject: Villainous Competition 42, Name of your Entry
For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.
More questions? PM me with Villainous Competition 42 Questions in the header.
Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:
- Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
- Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
- Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
- DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one there to fit your character.
- Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing one for my Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
- Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 10
As always: let's keep it nice.
I'll mention that again - LET'S KEEP IT NICE! Bickering, name calling and nasty comments on the entries or other forum members are not tolerated.
New competition rule: if I feel an individual has been overly disruptive during the course of competition discussion, I will not be accepting and revealing any entries from that individual, and they will also not be allowed to judge. Any judging they enter will not be taken into account for the final tally.
Last edited by jdizzlean; 2021-09-06 at 05:22 AM.
Originally Posted by Peelee
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2021-08-20, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
Clarifications
Unearthed Arcana variant rules are limited: The variant character options (such as Wildshape Ranger and Thug Fighter) should not be penalized. Flaws and traits may be penalized by judges, whereas item familiars, gestalt, alternate skill systems, alternate magic systems, alternate crafting rules, generic base classes, LA buyoff, fractional saves/BAB, and bloodlines are banned. Anything not mentioned here is up to individual judges.
d20 Rokugan is not allowed material.
The Dragon Magazine update for Oriental Adventures is in use.
Leadership is banned. Any material that grants you leadership without you specifically taking it should be ignored and may not be traded away for another feat or ACF. Undead Leadership and Dragon Cohort are likewise banned. Wild Cohort and Obtain Familiar are allowed. If you are not sure if a specific feat violates the 'no leadership' rule, err on the side of caution, or ask me.
However, Leadership may be taken to qualify for another feat or class (such as the Great Captain feat or Legendary Leader prestige class), though a character still doesn't get its usual benefit in those cases. This is to allow characters to access unproblematic material that'd otherwise be made unavailable because of the Leadership ban.
On the subject of messaging the chair (me), a few guidelines:
- I am not here to give critiques on your build or guess how the judges might score it!
- For entries, please keep the entry to no more than 2 message, if at all possible.
- For entries, don't expect me to search through your entry and edit in or out material. Entries should be sent to me complete - if there is a later revision, re-submit the full build. PLEASE DON'T INCLUDE TEXT IN YOUR SUBMISSION YOU WANT ME TO EDIT OUT FOR THE POST - SUBMIT IT TO ME EXACTLY HOW I WILL POST THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
- Please make sure the name of your entry is clearly present in the message.
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Everyone, have fun!
Originally Posted by Peelee
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2021-08-20, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
Is this about building the Biblical Cain, or am I missing some relevant pop-culture?
Screaming defiance with the last breath
It would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
My judgments and medals!
The Iron Chef Optimization spreadsheet!
Song, Sword, and Sorcery: my 5E homebrew half-caster bard (Version 2.0!)
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2021-08-20, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
Was thinking about making an entry, just one question - do we worry about Favored Class at all, or is that not an issue in this competition format?
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2021-08-20, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
Might build for this. Got a vague idea.
Currently Recruiting WW/Mafia: Logic's Deathloop Mafia and Cazero's Graduates Of Hope's Peak - Danganronpa Mafia
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2021-08-20, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Villainous Competition XLII: Caine?!
I'm seconding some confusion about what the inspiration is. A quick google sends me to.. Kung Fu? But I'm not sure I've got it right.
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Caine from Kung fu, but evil because villain
clicking the image spoiler in the second post, would've given that away
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Having not attempted this before, can you tell me what the normal rule is for monstrous builds with feats? Can intelligent monsters be made to take feats that are different from the ones in their normal statblock (or retrain them away), or are you stuck with the default ones?
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No, AFAIK favoured class has never been a consideration in this comp, but I guess individual judges might decide to ding you for it? I can't recall ever having seen it, though.
Yes - pretty sure anything that isn't listed as a bonus feat (i.e. feats gained as normal through HD progression) can be selected freely.
I'm working on an IC entry right now, but should have enough time to get one in for this, if inspiration strikes.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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I believe I penalized one entry 0.1 points for having severe multiclassing penalties through the entire build. I'm not sure I did - I remember heavily debating whether I should penalize that or not in a villain competition, and I believe I decided to compormise on 0.1. Edit: this was in the Sorta Pseuodo round.
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My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Resurrecting the Negative LA thread, comments and discussion are very welcome!
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Might be generally useful to have a link to Ur-Priest's Monstrous Monster Handbook.
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Must feature unarmed combat
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A few years back I did give elegance deductions for dipping this that and the other, but no, not specifically for anything like not following favored class and associated xp penalties.
I could have sworn a rule about villains need to be intelligent enough to concoct villainy, but that might have been exclusive to a particular round. That said, do keep in mind the RAW (from books, not this comp) about - int things and what they can and can't take, such as feats, skills, etc.Last edited by Buufreak; 2021-08-21 at 09:44 PM.
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Honestly, I keep forgetting that multiclass and favored class XP penalties are a thing. I houseruled them away a very, very long time ago.
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Sorry! There's a lot of old threads and it's tough trying to track down specific questions...
I also wanted to ask about racial HD advancement. Is it possible, for this competition, for a monster which is intelligent and has a HD advancement entry to take class levels and then gain racial HD, or do you need to do the racial HD advancement first? I haven't found any rules to that effect, but looking at previous entries, it looks like people have been sticking to HD first and class levels last?Avatar by araveugnitsuga.
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So. I'll be the first to admit that this spreadsheet might not work as well for this competition as it does for the other IC style competitions. But I've updated it for 20 rows of skills.
(If a given entry uses less than 20 rows worth of CR, then this should work well for you. If you use more than 20 rows, then the skill table will be most helpful for only first 20 rows).
VERSION 2.0 is here.
Skill table is completely revamped. You simply enter the skill names at the top of the columns. At each level, select the cross class status and the number of skill points applied at that level. It will give you a single column that you can copy and paste back into the leveling table. It will automatically ignore skills without ranks. It will "remember" ranks assigned previously and keep printing them. But you only need to enter a "Y" or "y" at each level for cc status, and then the number of points assigned at that level. Does the rest for you.
Good luck.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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True, and completely understandable.
No. This has been raised previously, and the reply has always been once you take any class levels, you can no longer advance by HD. You can do the opposite, though. You can advance by HD, then start putting on class levels after that.
That's probably another one that might be worth including in the OP.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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I am currently stuck in 70+ hour work week hell, and will be for a few weeks. so if someone wishes to add stuff to the OP/FAQ post, kindly type up a text block and i'll insert it when I have time
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is there a kind soul willing to answer some questions by PM? I don't want to spoil the tentative entry, but I don't want to poke jdizzlean with them, as busy as he is
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I'm not planning on participating, I can offer suggestions maybe
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Thank you kindly, Mattie_p answered the doubt I had