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2024-02-25, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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You mean to tell me that I can't ignite my grill using fireflies?
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2024-02-25, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, but you can get Devotion.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2024-02-25, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's what they want you to think.
A Firefly's exhaust was pretty hot: I think you could light a grill with it, but, if you are not careful, you may also melt it into a pile of slag.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2024-02-25 at 05:00 PM.
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2024-02-25, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
Not really. Cats, lizards, and hawks fight better with their claws than with swords they attempt to wield in those claws. Most swords are designed for people with opposable thumbs, you see.
From a game-mechanical perspective, the books are contradictory about how dextrous dragon claws are, but they definitely aren't proficient with greatswords. That's a -4 or so to attack rolls, depending on the edition.
From a biomechanical perspective, swords are designed for hands. They're designed to be held tightly by hands with palms flush against the hilt, letting the wielder sense exactly what direction the edge is facing, which is critical because attacks slightly off-angle are way worse at cutting stuff. And there are probably other details that someone who actually uses swords (instead of just reading about them) could tell you. And even if dragons had human-level dexterity with their claws, all of these details would make it impossible to effectively use a sword that small.
It's not like using a pocketknife instead of fingernails. Pocketknives are small, but they're designed for human-sized hands. It's like using one of those novelty sword-shaped toothpicks instead of your fingernails, except that your fingernails are also deadly weapons, which you don't get a -4 to attack rolls with.
That's a completely baseless analogy; the "dragon" in "dragonfruit" is being used as an adjective.
Komodo dragons are dragons in much the same way fool's gold is gold. (Or you could point to leafy sea dragons or bearded dragons or something.)
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2024-02-25, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
Dragon claws are either... 1d8 or 2d6, depending on how big Calder actually is. The lowest that seems likely for age category is probably Mature Adult, though I feel like the scraggly beard and bushy eyebrows mark him as at LEAST Old. Which would be the breaking point for pushing him from Huge to Gargantuan, but many people have already been pointing out that Bloodfeast's own size makes Calder being Huge more likely, unless Bloodfeast has also sized up from HD or something.
Anyhow, even if his claws were 1d8 compared to a greatsword's 2d6, and ignoring all the other things that likely benefit Calder using the claws in terms of proficiency or feats... the increase in damage from 1d8 to 2d6 is negligible. At least while the sword is antimagicked.
i don't really expect Rich to always care about enforcing exact damage or HP values or caring about that sort of thing to the extreme, but the world is still DnD enough that it would be silly to act like a nonmagical sword is in any way significantly more dangerous than a dragon's claws.Last edited by OvisCaedo; 2024-02-25 at 06:50 PM.
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2024-02-25, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-25, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-25, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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TinyMushroom drew my avatarSpoiler: A shaggy dog storyAn evil sorcerer in command of a dark cult is trying to unleash a god-killing abomination more real than the gods themselves. At his side, yellow eyes revealed a Haunter of the Dark. The evil sorcerer ordered it to kill.
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2024-02-25, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-25, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-25, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-25, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-26, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
As awesome as this fight is, it's gonna royally suck when Xykon shows up just as they use the last of their spells and one-use items to finish off Calder.
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2024-02-26, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-02-26, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-26, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Off (on?) topic, I think Calder is just really hangry after not eating for so long. He's probably really nice once you get to know him. Can someone just feed him something so he can calm down? Does Elan have a Create Food and Water spell handy?
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2024-02-26, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
Actually I think they're being quite conservative when it comes to spells. V has only spent a Cone of Cold and a Chain Lightning (or just Lightning Bolt?), Durkon only cast Mass Resist Fire and now he's throwing his hammer. They are keeping their eyes on the bigger picture. Things might change if Calder actually gets closer to killing someone, I guess.
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2024-02-26, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2024-02-26, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
If Team Evil does make it here they're probably going to have to go through the monsters Serini helped them skip. But it does also mean that the villains will, sooner or later, run across this empty room, Calder's corpse, a drained Order, or some combination of the three. All of which will probably lead Redcloak (and possibly the others) to conclude there's an ambush party of heroes waiting for them.
It's even possible Calder will inform Team Evil of this personally (Redcloak does probably have Speak With Dead)
We're at the climax, after all; the time to turn up the pressure on our heroes
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2024-02-26, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
Or... V uses the same spell used in the past to prevent this: Disintegrate, followed by gust of wind. Or... you know, maybe have Sunny use eye #8 on the corpse (and another gust of wind to push the ashes into the green colored water below).
Assuming the Order does win the fight and Calder is killed, it's extremely unlikely that they will leave a body around for TE to find and use in any meanginful way. The Order has a couple days of time to prep for TE to arrive (and know this fact). They also know that Xykon likes to make zombified dragons, so it's kinda of an obvious move.
Now... I could see Calder starting to lose and fleeing into the dungeon, running wild and triggering a ton of traps and releasing a bunch of monsters, and perhaps forcing the Order to head of towards the gate room without being able to deal with that mess (which could make TE's arrival "interesting"). Heck. Calder could surrender (again) to them, and then maybe agree to help defend the gate in return for freedom later maybe. Dunno. I could see lots of other possible things that could happen here. But yeah, not seeing any route that results in a Calder corpse lying around for TE to use after the fact (well, unless he runs back towards the entrance, the Order decides not to chase him, and then he dies to something along the way maybe). But that's not much different than if he does that and doesn't die.
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2024-02-26, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
The hostess of your party serves Sorcerer Fruit Pies? How do I wrangle an invite?
Sure. 2d6 Great sword beats wing, wing, tail, claw, claw.
Am I the first to consider that it is just as likely that he stabbed himself as it is that he stabbed Bloodfeast? He was not holding it as a ready weapon, even if he is proficient.
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2024-02-27, 04:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1298 - The Discussion Thread
Which sounds more painful : A rottweiler biting you, or a rottweiler accidentally nicking you with the kitchen knife it's biting? And yet, the knife is a lot sharper that the dog's teeth.
And did you try to cut a steak with a kitchen knife you're holding by the blade? Because that doesn't sound like a fun/effective idea either.
Now, the dragon could change its grip on the sword, then stab the dino, sure. But I still think that full-power clawing away with the natural weapon you're used to would still be more effective in a close combat brawl than awkwardly holding a action-figure-sized weapon, even a real sharp one. Otherwise, every dragon would carry a human sword (or better, an ogre or giant sized one)
With the confusion and the dragon's desperate attempts to free itself, the Dino might end up with Roy's sword sticking out of its hide. But I doubt it will be as effective as the old "he fell on my sword" trope.Last edited by Kardwill; 2024-02-27 at 04:17 AM.
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2024-02-27, 04:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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We should ask Crow. I heard he has a personal experience with exhaust home-cooking.
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2024-02-27, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Personally, I chose the awkward knife swinging rather than the full, crushing, ripping pressure of the dog's jaw. Even if the dog actually knew how to swing the knife, his jaw is not built right to wield it effectively (or rather, the knife was not built to be an effective tool for somebody holding it in their teeth). But it IS built right to rip a hunk of flesh from my throat.
And you'll notice that no dragon we saw in the comic wielded a bladed weapon. There is probably a reason a smart creature preparing for a fight (like the ABD) decided not to bother with a weapon.Last edited by Kardwill; 2024-02-27 at 05:42 AM.
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2024-02-27, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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You guys do remember were talking about dragon claws which are about the size of a sword each, right?
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