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2024-05-16, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
Hi follks.
I had a speculation, and I wanted to share it.
So, a while ago, the game devs said that they were preparing something with Venger, the main villain of the D&D cartoon, for the TTRPG.
Since neither of the last two 5e adventure books will have the evil Sorcerer in them (unless they seriously modify something in the Staircase anthology book), then it is certain that if Venger shows up, it will be in a post-rule-changebooks.
However, since the recent article on the topic mentions adding Venger's name to the PHB lexicon for new players and that there will be more Tiamat-level threats for high-level PCs, I'm starting to think it's possible one of said threats will be Venger.
It doesn't make much sense to add a name in the PHB lexicon unless the character is relevant for the whole edition, after all, and even being the BBEG of an adventure module wouldn't justify that.
So, what do you think?
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2024-05-16, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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We've gotten stats for Venger before (in the 3.5e ASH book) so him getting a 5e update seems reasonable to me. I think it's more likely that they release his statblock online rather than putting it in the PHB though - putting his stats there would ruin the surprise for any DM who wants to use him against their players.
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2024-05-16, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
They also said there would be new spells so there could just be a couple Venger spells joining the likes of Tasha and Bigby.
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2024-05-16, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do people really have this much nostalgia for the D&D cartoon? They keep looping it into stuff. I've been into D&D most of my life, and I'm of an age where I could've watched that cartoon contemporaneously ... but I didn't, and I don't care to start.
Anyway all that is just to say his name makes me think of the following phrase:
'vengers, 'ssemble!
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2024-05-16, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
I'd say that whether there is a large amount of existing nostalgia for the cartoon isn't actually the point. Rather, the point is that the cartoon characters and setting are a few of the D&D things WotC unequivocally owns, without the gray area that things like the tabletop game mechanics or terms like "Advantage" might represent, and so pushing those elements to the forefront makes replicating D&D by competitors that much harder. Hasbro has a lot of resources to try and make fetch happen.
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2024-05-16, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
This is a link to a commercial than ran in Brazil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDp_k-Fid4 This might be a case where there is more under heaven and earth then is dreamt of in your philosophy. Apparently the old D&D cartoon show saw more play in Brazilian re-runs, than in the USA.
As a kid I enjoyed the cartoon, it had elements I could not stand, but a few episodes were quite poignant, and Venger was an interesting villain.
Am I going to purchase a new product just because characters and elements from the D&D Cartoon are in it? No, but I am also not going to shy away from a product that seems good, because WotC decided to re-use some characters from the Cartoon.Last edited by Blatant Beast; 2024-05-16 at 11:24 AM.
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2024-05-16, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-16, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Warduke and Grimsword look cool enough that I HOPE they are included and get new art and stats
Oh and Zarak!Last edited by Dr.Samurai; 2024-05-16 at 03:15 PM.
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2024-05-16, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
I've only watched the cartoon as an adult. It's not the best by any means, but it is still pretty good.
Venger is definitively one of the best parts of the cartoon, maybe the best part.
"Beware what you say when you speak of magic, Wizard, or you shall see who has the greater power."
Venger, "The Treasure of Tardos".
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2024-05-22, 03:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Being the old man that I am, and being into D&D as long as I have been - I definitely watched the cartoons when it came out.
And bought the DVD when it came out - which was cool, because they had all the weapons and such, from the cartoon with stats (pretty sure it was 2e or 3e, I'd need to dig out the DVD set).
That said, I still love the cartoon (it's one of the things I have put on my iPad so I can watch it on travel and such).
It'd be cool to see those weapons, those characters, etc., in some official way - obviously, including Venger.
I even bought Dragons of Stormwreck Isle because the cover clearly shows two of the characters from the show.
And I thought, "Oh, cool - they probably have stats for these as potential characters to use in the adventure."
So that was misleading, unfortunately.
Wouldn't be surprised if Venger ends up in the Vecna thing, since it mentions going across the multiverse...Need a character origin written? Enjoyed what I wrote? How can you help me? Not required, but appreciated! <3
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2024-05-22, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-23, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Need a character origin written? Enjoyed what I wrote? How can you help me? Not required, but appreciated! <3
Check out my 5e The Secret of Havenfall Manor or my character back stories over at DMsGuild.com! (If you check it out - please rate, comment, and tell others!)
Subscribe to my D&D Channel on Youtube! (Come by and Sub)
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2024-05-23, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
The D&D cartoon was a lot of people's first exposure to anything to do with the game. It took what was a niche game for geek-nerds (like me) to be played in their homes or at school and put it front and center on Saturday morning, when All kids were watching cartoons. I personally think it helped keep the game alive when it was waning, especially during the "Satanic panic".
Yeah it was silly and anyone who knew the game might be dismissive. But it served a purpose.
And if you don't care to start watching or taking an interest, by all means, don't.
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2024-05-29, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Venger is on the nuDMG cover apparently: https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/s...sters-32900122
Spoiler: Spoilered for size
The other characters on the cover appear to be Warduke and Skylla, who I believe also showed up in the cartoon.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2024-05-29, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am not fond of what Venger looks like on the cover, their torso, seems unnecessarily elongated.
Outside of that minor quibble, the cover seems fine. Is that a Dragon shaped altar, or a colossal Draco-lich behind the big V?
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2024-05-29, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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My money is on Dracolich since they probably want a dragon (or dragon-adjacent creature) to feature on all the covers somewhere.
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2024-05-30, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-31, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
Since we're on the topic of the DMG cover, the alt cover has been released too:
Spoiler
Minthara would be proud. (Well, pre-Act 1 Minthara anyway.)Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2024-05-31, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
I like the Venger cover better, overall, even with Venger's oddly proportioned torso.
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2024-05-31, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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So far I prefer all the standard covers to the FLGS-collector ones. I do like the strikingly different color themes though.
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2024-05-31, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Venger, D&Done's new (yet old) high-CR threat?
Lord Soth on the 5e Alt Dragonlance cover, is pretty nice, in my opinion.
I do like the brown Ombre effect, and the gold scroll work on the 2024 DMG alt cover. My issue is the image of Loth is a little too cute for my taste.