Bloodlines

[Prezes]

I read about Bloodlines feats and wanted to use that for one of my characters. I thought about beguiler who has ancestor which make a pact with fiends which grant him some sort of fiendish powers and that power is still in family bloodlines

My idea is to use Fiend Bloodline feat which grant such kind of spells to spell list.
Homever some spells on that list is stupid (like sepia sigil)
So will it be balance breaking if I will swap some of that spells for other spells?

Also, do you know other feats which work like that (adding new spells to spontageous spellcaster?

[Pezzo]

There's arcane disciple which adds a domain spell list to your arcane class spell list.
Extra spell for any spell

[Prezes]

There's arcane disciple which adds a domain spell list to your arcane class spell list.
Extra spell for any spell

Yeah but arcane disciple need wisdom

Extra spell just add one spell and I mean 'progressing feats'

Would it be wise to create new bloodlines feats?

[Troacctid]

I would suggest using a different bloodline feat instead, representing a more specific type of fiend. There are a lot of evil outsiders, so you have a lot of flexibility. Off the top of my head, some lineages that could work:

Air Bloodline: Pazuzu.
Anarchic Bloodline: Any demon.
Axiomatic Bloodline: Any devil.
Draconic Bloodline: Abishai.
Fire Bloodline: Balor.
Necromantic Bloodline: Orcus.
Penumbra Bloodline: Shadow demon.
Plant Bloodline: Zuggtmoy.
Serpent Bloodline: Marilith.
Water Bloodline: Dagon.

[Prezes]

I would suggest using a different bloodline feat instead, representing a more specific type of fiend. There are a lot of evil outsiders, so you have a lot of flexibility. Off the top of my head, some lineages that could work:

Air Bloodline: Pazuzu.
Anarchic Bloodline: Any demon.
Axiomatic Bloodline: Any devil.
Draconic Bloodline: Abishai.
Fire Bloodline: Balor.
Necromantic Bloodline: Orcus.
Penumbra Bloodline: Shadow demon.
Plant Bloodline: Zuggtmoy.
Serpent Bloodline: Marilith.
Water Bloodline: Dagon.

Interesting idea

Would it be wise to create new bloodlines feats? Or change spells in certain bloodlines?

[Prezes]

Also...Fiendish bloodlines look quite nice

1st—Protection from good
2nd—Darkness
3rd—Sepia snake sigil
4th—Bestow curse
5th—Nightmare
6th—Mislead
7th—Insanity
8th—Maze
9th—Imprisonment

Yet I really want to swap 1st, 3rd and 6th spells for something else
Could anybody gave me idea for spells which would fit to fiendish theme, yet will be usefull?

[Prezes]

What about that kind of spells for fiendish bloodline

1st—obscuring mist
2nd—desecration
3rd—magic circle against good
4th—poison
5th—contagion
6th—blasphemy
7th— unhallow (or blasphemy)
8th—unholy aura (or horrid wilting)
9th— summon monster IX (only evil creatures)

What you think? (I used spells from Evil domain and Half fiends SLA)

[Troacctid]

I think the fact that you can't cherry-pick the spells you want is an important part of how bloodline feats are balanced. I would not allow my players to swap out spells. You get what's on the list they give you, and that's that.

[Prezes]

I think the fact that you can't cherry-pick the spells you want is an important part of how bloodline feats are balanced. I would not allow my players to swap out spells. You get what's on the list they give you, and that's that.

Hmm...sound reasonable

Do you know when I can find more bloodlines?

[pabelfly]

Hmm...sound reasonable

Do you know when I can find more bloodlines?

If you want to add spells to a spellcaster, this might be a helpful thread:

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?646021

There are no bloodlines beyond what has been mentioned outside of third party (as far as I'm aware). Still, there are plenty of ways to add other spells to your spell list if you're after specific spells.

[Prezes]

If you want to add spells to a spellcaster, this might be a helpful thread:

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?646021

There are no bloodlines beyond what has been mentioned outside of third party (as far as I'm aware). Still, there are plenty of ways to add other spells to your spell list if you're after specific spells.

Thanks. I searched that thread from longer time

[pabelfly]

Thanks. I searched that thread from longer time

No problem, hope it helps you out.

[ShurikVch]

Do you know when I can find more bloodlines?

Aquatic Fey Bloodline (Dragon #335, pg. 93):

1. Charm Person
2. Alter Self
3. Water Breathing
4. Charm Monster
5. Mind Fog
6. Control Water
7. Control Weather
8. Horrid Wilting
9. Shapechange

You cannot learn spells from the Conjuration (creation) or Conjuration (healing) subschools. These spells are removed from your spell list.

Also, it kept the original "ability to summon a familiar" prerequisite (unlike those Bloodlines which were updated in the Dragon Compendium) - thus, if you would want to take it as a Beguiler, firstly take the Obtain Familiar feat (Complete Arcane)

[Prezes]

Aquatic Fey Bloodline (Dragon #335, pg. 93):

1. Charm Person
2. Alter Self
3. Water Breathing
4. Charm Monster
5. Mind Fog
6. Control Water
7. Control Weather
8. Horrid Wilting
9. Shapechange

You cannot learn spells from the Conjuration (creation) or Conjuration (healing) subschools. These spells are removed from your spell list.

Also, it kept the original "ability to summon a familiar" prerequisite (unlike those Bloodlines which were updated in the Dragon Compendium) - thus, if you would want to take it as a Beguiler, firstly take the Obtain Familiar feat (Complete Arcane)

Many thanks!

[Prezes]

Aquatic Fey Bloodline (Dragon #335, pg. 93):

1. Charm Person
2. Alter Self
3. Water Breathing
4. Charm Monster
5. Mind Fog
6. Control Water
7. Control Weather
8. Horrid Wilting
9. Shapechange

You cannot learn spells from the Conjuration (creation) or Conjuration (healing) subschools. These spells are removed from your spell list.

Also, it kept the original "ability to summon a familiar" prerequisite (unlike those Bloodlines which were updated in the Dragon Compendium) - thus, if you would want to take it as a Beguiler, firstly take the Obtain Familiar feat (Complete Arcane)

Was that bloodline usefull for dread necromancer?

[ShurikVch]

Was that bloodline usefull for dread necromancer?

Well...

Dread Necromancer already have Horrid Wilting

And removal of Conjuration (creation) spells from the Dread Necromancer's spell list would cause loss of such spells as Acid Fog, Cloudkill, or Evard's Black Tentacles

So, maybe... useful, but not perfect?

It depend on what you want to get from your character: if Charm Person/Charm Monster, Control Water/Control Weather and Alter Self/Shapechange are more useful for your PC than Cloudkill/Acid Fog - then Aquatic Fey Bloodline would definitely worth it

[Prezes]

Well...

Dread Necromancer already have Horrid Wilting

And removal of Conjuration (creation) spells from the Dread Necromancer's spell list would cause loss of such spells as Acid Fog, Cloudkill, or Evard's Black Tentacles

So, maybe... useful, but not perfect?

It depend on what you want to get from your character: if Charm Person/Charm Monster, Control Water/Control Weather and Alter Self/Shapechange are more useful for your PC than Cloudkill/Acid Fog - then Aquatic Fey Bloodline would definitely worth it

Hmm...what other bloodlines would fit to dread necro?

[Troacctid]

Hmm...what other bloodlines would fit to dread necro?

Here's a spreadsheet of all the bloodline feats to help you with quick comparisons. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...4KQ/edit#gid=0

[Prezes]

I like serpent bloodline and fiendish bloodline, but that sepia snake sigil spell complety don't fit. Would it be imbalancing if I will swap that certain spell for other one?