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Thread: Extents of a Wish Spell
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2009-11-11, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Extents of a Wish Spell
Can you wish for gp with wish?
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You need to be really really careful when dealing with that spell though. If your DM doesn't want you to have that gold (although you can do a lot more sillyness with a wish spell), it'll bite you. Your safest bet is to wish for 25,000gp in a pile on the ground 5 feet away from you that didn't originate from someone else's cache.
added a rider that I remember people have exposure to. Some have had some dragon hoard appeared. That usually isn't good.Last edited by MCerberus; 2009-11-11 at 08:14 PM.
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So Planar Binding an Efreet, wish for 3 25000gp gems, rinse and repeat?
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That's just the start of the madness you can do with the Efreet.
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I need to make 2100000 gold into 20000000 gold.
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Really, if your DM is going that, he's just getting off on a power trip. The description is explicitly clear that such a wish is followed to the intent of your meaning, provided you're casting the spell yourself. If it comes from an Efreet or a ring of wishes that's a different issue, but such a wish that you cast yourself should be strings-free.
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While a DM can say that, he could also say that Grease uses your body fat, resulting in your horrifying death. The default assumption is that anything explicitly listed under wish effects can be done safely. Note, though, that this doesn't apply if you're getting your wishes from an evil supernatural entity that hates you. An enslaved Efreet, if it gets the chance, will indeed likely drop 25,000 GP quartz crystals on your head and the like.
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I know of a DM who gave his players a Deck Of Many Things, or something to that effect, and their player got a wish. This player, knowing this DM's nature, chose to use it for something non-threatening, so as to avoid having the DM screw him over. He wished for a sandwich.
The DM had someone ELSE'S sandwich float over to the player, and started a fight over it.
So really.. it depends on the DM. This example was taken in good faith, by the way, and laughs were had by all.. but this particular DM likes to try and get our goats sometimes.Pokemon friend code : 3067-5701-8746
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That's screwy. DMs aren't supposed to screw you over unless you wish for something beyond the spell's limits. But alas...
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That reminds me...
How expensive of a magic item can you wish for?
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SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
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Why exactly does a CR 8 creature have access to a 9th level spell anyway? I mean, candle of invocation cheese aside, what about simply capturing one in person or that creature allying with a non-genie for infinite wealth?
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It's a wish... Be careful what you wish for. If your DM does not cause you some manner of grief for a self centered wish, it's just not right. Not every time mind you, I've seen some really awesome things done with a Wish. Dropping a very evil church into the middle of the planets Molton core come to mind(I think we got a Drow city on the way down too for extra experience).
We had a player once wish for an invincible Spelljammer. His wish was granted (with phaser banks and turbo lifts). Sadly enough right behind him was the parties rogue. Her wish? "I wished I owned that ship." And the fun beganRemember no matter where you go. There you are.
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SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
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No, a DM shouldn't screw you as long as you are within the rules. Wishing for gold is within the rules. Hell, you don't even need Wish to do that; you can craft magic items and sell them to adventurers (not other shops) at full price for the exact same 1 EXP to 5 gold ratio (I think; the EXP costs for magic items may be full price, in which case it's an even more pathetic 1 EXP to 2.5 gold ratio).
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Say, maybe the wishes granted by Djinn and Efreeti should be limited by the genie's CR? So a base Efreeti could only create something that a level 8 Wizard, Sorcerer, or Cleric could make with item creation feats?
SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
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the extents of a wish spell are listed.
What you should be asking is how far past those limits are permissible with no or little bad things happening.
like if i wish for 15 extra gold bayond the limit, maybe it would pop out of a party members pouch or something. but if you wish for 15 grand extra. yea no good can come of that.
granted if my players wish for something within bounds and they word it to protect themselves from almost everything, they're just asking for it then.
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A DM should always mess up players plans if they will take the campaign or the game in another direction than intended. He may do it humorously, or with a friendly hint, or harshly if need be - but the GM is there to control the game, not to provide the players with a playground in which all the brokenness of the rules is available for them.
But the real point is that players and GM should be agreeance as to where the campaign is going to go.
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Ce n'est pas possible. Spelljammer cannot be improved upon.
As for the Efreet question. The Efreet can only grant the wishes of other creatures, and it will try to twist the intent wherever possible. The USP of the Efreet is that it is a creature which allows you to introduce the power and the danger of wishes to mid-level play.
Of course, in 3E you can make Efreeti your slaves with planar binding. That's totally fine, so long as you make the leap to realising that, by RAW, the PCs can have infinite cash from about level 11. All you need do is tighten up the definitions of what wish can and cannot do IYG (as discussed in another thread about wish only a few days ago), and the WBL economy will stay unbroken...or at least no more broken than it is already.
That's funny, coz all the source material for wishes (The Arabian Nights, The Monkeys Paw, the legend of King Midas, European folklore, etc.), as well as the writings of EGG, say that the DM totally should screw with you when you mess around with wish.
There's good reason for "Be careful what you wish for" being a cliche...Last edited by bosssmiley; 2009-11-12 at 08:48 AM.