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Thread: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
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2010-06-10, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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[3.5] Tyrant Lich
Alright! So, in my campaign, I aim to make a Tyrant (Lawful Evil paladin) lich, and I've figured out a way to make it work - so far, the minimum that I've come up with would be to have a level 14 paladin with the Practiced Spellcaster feat. (Paladin caster level is 1/2 their paladin level, so the 14th level one would be caster level 7+4).
However, are there ways that playgrounders can think of where the level minimum may be reduced that doesn't involve racial cheese or something along those lines?
SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
My Homebrew
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2010-06-10, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
*Scratches head* Perhaps a prestige class that is useful to paladins and increases divine caster level...it'd likely only need 8 levels in paladin...
SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
My Homebrew
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2010-06-10, 10:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
If you're the DM, rule zero it.
EDIT: See my sig. </shameless plug>Last edited by Maerok; 2010-06-10 at 10:21 PM.
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2010-06-10, 10:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
My Homebrew
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2010-06-10, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
You might want to combine to variant found in the SRD and UA
Prestige Paladin & Paladin of Tyrany
SpoilerPrestige Paladin of Tyrany
After training in the arts of combat and the mysteries of the divine, the prestige paladin is anointed as a holy warrior dedicated to the protection of law andgoodnessevilness
Most prestige paladins are clerics or fighter/clerics, though rare cleric/monks might pursue this path as well.
Hit Die
d10.
Requirements
To qualify to become a prestige paladin, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Alignment
Lawful Evil
Lawful good.
Base Attack Bonus
+4.
Skills
Knowledge (religion) 2 ranks, Knowledge (nobility and royalty) 2 ranks, Ride 4 ranks.
Feats
Mounted Combat.
Spellcasting
Ability to cast protection fromevilgood as a divine spell.
Special
Ability toturnrebuke undead.
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2010-06-10, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
Use Cleric instead. A Cleric/Bone Knight should have the same tyrant feel while being significantly better mechanically.
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2010-06-10, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
My Homebrew
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2010-06-10, 11:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
Wait a minute...if I took a PRC that had "+1 level of existing divine spellcasting class" as a paladin, would it end up only counting as half a level?
SpoilerDM: "Sunder the wall?! WT**** kind of tactics are these!?"
Me: The kind that armies have been using for millennia.
DM: They didn't do it with swords!
Me: Which makes us so much cooler.
Player: Where are the babau in relation to everyone else?
Me: They're right behind you. Vesil is covered in Loki's blood. That is their location in relation to you.
Player: I was just wondering about a fireball.
My Homebrew
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2010-06-10, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
This index is usually best for finding unknown PrCs. There's one for feats as well.
It counts as taking another level of paladin for spellcasting purposes, so yeah, pretty much 1/2 a level. That's why it's much better to ignore paladin spellcasting entirely and take a better class.Rogue Handbook | Warmage Rebuild | Diablo's Assassin | Revised Classes
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Prestige Class Contest XXI Submission: Child of the Seelie Court
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2010-06-10, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
If you're stuck on Paladin, do Cleric-->Prestige Paladin (refluff as required). Same flavor, less mess.
Alternatively, continue with your current plan, but be warned it isn't going to end real well. The paladin gains not a lot from Lich, and loses a bunch (like Con to HP).
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2010-06-11, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Tyrant Lich
I think Death Knight (The Dragon Lance edition) gains pretty much everything, and is better fluff wise. You can make his damage reduction 10/bludging and magic instead of 10/magic and call it a day...