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Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Odd Question - can a warlock become a lich ? Also would it be worth it ? At what level would you consider it a good thing to become a lich ? I'm trying to figure out a way for a binder/warlock/hellfire warlock to become immortal, but the problem is that undead lack a constitution score. Does anyone here have any suggestions ?
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2010-06-30, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Technically no, as a warlock cannot cast spells (and so cannot craft the required phylactery). They do qualify for the lichfiend template in libris mortis though, which is basically the same thing.
As for the lack of a con score, epic spellcasting can, in theory at least, be used to grant undead a con score (using the fortify seed). What ramifications this has on your undead traits however, I have no idea.
Personally, I don't think lich is all that great. If you want undead traits, go necropolitan.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Its' not so much the undead part - it's more the "wanna live forever" part. Increase in power is nice though.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
There's a lot of PrCs where the capstone ability is becoming an Outsider and no longer aging. Pick one, change it so it progresses warlock invocations and eldritch blast instead of spellcasting, maybe change some of the abilities to be thematically appropriate, and use that. Immortality.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Can they not just use Imbue Item to create the phylactery ?
Imbue Item is the 12th level class feature which allows them to use UMD to simulate any spell during item creation. They still need the relevant Item Creation feat however.
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2010-06-30, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Each lich must make its own phylactery, which requires the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp and 4,800 XP to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
Though you can easily get around this by blowing a feat on that FR regional feat which lets you cast cantrips. Or maybe go eldritch theurge.
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2010-06-30, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Problem is, most say "Bonuses still accrue, and the character still dies of old age when their time is up"
And in the case of the Alienist, the character "is snatched away when their time is up, and never seen again"
Ones which state "The character never dies of old age" are rare- the Cloud Anchorite in Frostburn is one.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2010-06-30, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
I had a thread on this very topic not too long ago
A dip can take care of the "must be able to cast spells" issue, or even the Magical Training feat (which gives you a handful of cantrips and a 1st-level spell).
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Please read and evaluate the changes I'm trying to smooth out in this thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154036
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Elans are virtually immortal, IIRC.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Note that the eldritch disciple gets Timeless Body (or perhaps something substantially identical but under a different name, I can't recall) without the "still dies at max age" clause.
But the simplest solution for the OP, if he just wants not to die of old age rather than to be very difficult to kill, is to go Necropolitan (as mentioned). This also has the advantage of avoiding LA headaches.
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If you can get someone with the corpsecrafter feats to turn you into a necropolitan, you get the undead template with some neat bonuses at no LA cost. Though you should talk with the DM, most wouldn't allow it.
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2010-06-30, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Elemental Savant also is immortal, doesn't breathe eat or sleep and is immune to everything an Elemental is immune to as well. But's it's an arcane caster progression PRc. Which loses 2 caster levels and it's blaster oriented. Guess it's not very popular around here :D
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
There's always being an Elan or Warforged.
Or you can take the "Wedded To History" feat from Dragon 354.
Somebody made a handbook on this.Last edited by Tome; 2010-06-30 at 09:54 AM.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
It certainly seems a handy way of getting out of the whole "selling your soul" deal, if that's where your particular warlocky powers derive from...
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Well. If nothing else, a Warlock can qualify for Renegade Mastermaker without much hassle. Renegade Mastermaker advances any existing spellcasting class, so it applies to Warlocks as per page 18 of CA.
Becoming a living construct is one way to achieve immortality. Costs two caster levels, however (one dark invocation).
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Elan is so nice, the problem is the -2 Charisma. Such a pain.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
In addition, a Warlock lich would probably not be powerful enough to fight off his fiendish overlords, and so require the PCs' aid. With his crafting powers he can make plenty of goodies for them to go into hell with on his behalf.
Warforged also have a Cha penaltyLast edited by Optimystik; 2010-06-30 at 10:17 AM.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
Luckly, Renegade Mastermaker does not turn you into a warforged! It merely gives you the Construct type with the Living Construct Subtype and... You gain all traits of the type.
Uh... Never noticed that line.
Ok, so it does make you into a warforged. But it does not take away your old racials! Just find a race with a positive charisma modifier and they null out.
Or just avoid invocations with save DCs.
Edit: Then again it can be all traits of the construct-living construct type, not the traits of the warforged race. Hmm... This is tricky.Last edited by Draken; 2010-06-30 at 10:22 AM.
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Re: Immortality for a warlock 3.5
If it doesn't say you gain the Warforged racial traits, then you don't. Most of their good stuff comes from their type/subtype anyway.