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2010-08-21, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Adamantine body worth it?
I've been looking into a lvl 6 Warforged Warblade, and while initially, I wanted Adamantine body, I'm not so sure now...
It doesn't look very good, just a full plate at most. Might as well buy a Skin of Ecto armor for 3k?
It's good at low lvls, yeah, but once you get gold... It's no better than someone with adamantine fullplate.
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2010-08-21, 01:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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And an adamantine dagger. Don't forget the hardness negating slam attack.
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2010-08-21, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's a great feat at level 1, but once you get to a level where a character can afford Full Plate, then it really isn't too amazing.
One benefit it does have, is allowing a character that wouldn't normally have access to heavy armor, to be able to grab the full benefits of the best mundane Full Plate at level 1.
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2010-08-21, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, you did save the gold on a suit of armor that is leagues beyond anything you would otherwise have at first level. The utility gained from such a boost is not to be laughed at over the course of your first few levels. If you actually have to PLAY the character from first level, I'd consider it a pretty helpful feat. After all, couldn't you just get it enchanted later?
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2010-08-21, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think you get adamantine slam attack.
And well, at lvl 6, you can afford pretty good armor. The skin I said only costs 3k for 8AC.
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2010-08-21, 01:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, if you have DR/Adamantine, your natural attack count as adamantine. Same for DR /magic, or DR/ Cold Iron or something.
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2010-08-21, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Reading it over, the feat is slightly weaker than Adamantine Full Plate (I guess they thought that DR 3/- would be OP... *sigh* ). Adamantine Full Plate, already a fairly subpar option for its price, costs around 16,000... is a feat worth most of the benefits of a mediocre 16K item? I'd say no.
Edit: No, that's just wrong. The DR rules state:Originally Posted by SRD
Originally Posted by SRDLast edited by Wonton; 2010-08-21 at 01:52 AM.
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2010-08-21, 01:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can only find for DR/magic counts as magic.
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2010-08-21, 01:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, it seems to be a semi-commen mistake that dr/adamantine makes your attacks count as adamantine.
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2010-08-21, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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I admit, I was hasty there, but it is a rational extension, is it not? I also mentions DR/Epic.
Would it not make sense that a construct that is supposedly made of adamantine, with DR/adamantine, that attacks by slamming an opponent with a limb supposedly made of adamantine, would count as though it were a weapon made of adamantine?
Would you count the gauntlet attack of adamantine fullplate as an adamantine weapon? That's BASICALLY what we're looking at.Last edited by Admiral Squish; 2010-08-21 at 02:00 AM.
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2010-08-21, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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So does getting DR 1/- allow you to penetrate DR/- then? Or being a Zombie makes all your attacks Slashing weapons?
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2010-08-21, 02:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have 2 words for you. Warforged Juggernaught.
5 level PrC, and it is AMAZING.
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No, but those are specially mentioned otherwise.
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Originally Posted by SRD
As for special materials, it's a common myth for werewolves to be vulnerable to the claws and fangs of other werewolves. The nemean lion similarly fell to it's own claws. These could be backwards-extrapolated into D&D terms to indicate creatures overcoming their own sort of damage reduction.My Homebrew
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2010-08-21, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do not bring your common sense into this! This is a RAW discussion!
Hey, if I was DM-ing, I would certainly consider that as a houserule. All I'm saying is, don't mislead the OP (though I don't think he was misled for a second), cause his DM is likely to think differently.Rules that supersede Rule 0:
Rule -1: You're all there to have fun. The GM and the players should never do anything that would limit people's fun, for any in-game or real-life reason.
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2010-08-21, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is a feat that allows warforged to slam werewolfs actually. And overcome and such, duh
Silver tracing or something.Last edited by Escheton; 2010-08-21 at 11:14 AM.
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and if not(bothersome dm?) there is always the +3 enhancement Wild.
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I don't see how it would be overpowered to let adamantite body make your slam pass DR. It does 1d4 damage and doesn't provide iterative attacks. That's kind of weak past low levels, and presumably you'll use a real weapon most of the time.
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Originally Posted by SRD, Druid entry
Originally Posted by SRD, Alternate Form
Finally, looking in MM III, Pg. 190, the warforged stat block given clearly refers to fortification, composite plating, and living construct traits as Special Qualities.
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There is also Mielikki. Metal? No problem. (She dislikes metal armor rangers can't wear tho)
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2010-08-22, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, it mentions, specifically, dealing bludgeoning damage, not slashing. If you pick up a normal hammer with DR/ adamantine, the hammer isn't magically adamantine, it's still just a hammer. But a fist made of adamantine seems to me like it would count as such.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2010-08-22, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adamantine body worth it?
Well, when you say "worth it", you have to ask "compared to what?"
If you mean "compared to being a different race", well - maybe not. Warforged have cool stuff, but they also are spending this feat on their body.
If you mean "compared to just wearing awesome armor"... well, wouldn't you have to take the Unarmored feat to do that? So if you're planning on being a warforged with adamantine full plate anyway, you'd be spending the same feat and a lot of money for one extra DR. Also, I'm not fully certain whether Adamantine Body gets rid of your Light Fortification, but if not - that's much better than the one DR.
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2010-08-22, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-08-22, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bleh, losing at most 2 points of BAB is more than made up by those abilities.
I know you lose 5 levels of class features, in exchange you get so many useful immunities.
You never take ability score damage, death effects bounce off, your immune to mind affecting spells and abilities, you cannot be crit, those all make your character a heck of a lot harder to kill. In addition you get boosts to your charging, bull rushes, and grapples.
Any martial class has a great chance of utilizing at least 2 of those options, wizards can still heal you, as can anyone with the repair skill. If you are not a party face, and have any use for the Adamantine Body feat, I see no reason not to consider this class. Even if its just 2 levels.