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2020-08-08, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
True, but it would have been nice if they’d given more of a crap, wouldn’t it? I don’t entirely blame the gods for growing somewhat resigned and numb after all these... aeons, honestly... but the fact that the most concern we’ve actually seen from a non-mortal (who wasn’t TDO) was a celestial who simply refused to slaughter them or be directly complicit in it... doesn’t do them much of a favor, does it?
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2020-08-08, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Given that we agree that killing innocents is wrong, and the gods created the world so that all of its members are mortal, invented disease, famine, and monsters and are responsible for the majority of deaths...
The gods in OotS and D&D in general are little better than the Machines from the Matrix. The best of them are good because they care about people, all of them are evil.
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2020-08-08, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-08-08, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Honestly I dunno how much Falling has to do with direct revoking and how much it has to do with the fact that being doing an Evil act breaks your oath is literally hardwired into the class. There’s probably at least some of the former considering Miko, but...
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2020-08-08, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-08-08, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-08, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe the gods should toughen their paladin hiring standards?
The highest punishment they gave to a paladin is making them Fall, revoking their powers -- but they can still walk around, communicate with other people, adventure, etc. They're still alive and able to do these things, which Redcloak's family is never able to do so again. The Giant's "cop turns in their badge at the city hall" metaphor comes into mind.
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2020-08-08, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
...Does the Atonement spell become relevant for this? I don’t think it’d work for Falling unless true, well, atonement is done, and even if it didn’t then it likely wouldn’t last... but it’s still less final.
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2020-08-08, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
That's an understatOkay, okay, sorry.
Also, true: the paladins, who are acting in the name of the gods, got to slaughter an entire village. Even if they lost their powers (which I doubt), the punishment for slaughtering families isn't getting fired from your job.
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2020-08-08, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
I'm not really sure what you guys expect the gods to do, other than revoking paladin/cleric powers from worshippers who transgress. It's pretty well established that gods almost never directly intervene, because there's too many gods with too many alignments and agendas for anything to get done that way (and it would probably create a new Snarl, but that's besides the point).
If the gods were as active as you guys want them to be, then Tiamat would have nuked V right after the Familicide (or even as early as p186), Thrym would have dropped a boulder on the Mechane the moment it flew over frost giant territory, Nergal would have zapped Nale when he turned on Malack, and so on, and so on, and so on.
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2020-08-08, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
I highly doubt even the unfallen ones would have made it into the Seven Heavens, given what we saw during Roy's interview. But that's just headcanon. Also not much help to everyone else on the material plane, but not much they can do about that, barring Clerical work.
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2020-08-08, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
If Redcloak acknowledged someone as his personal rival, would that person instantly level up as cleric ("ding! ding! ding!") to match him?
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2020-08-08, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
As headcanons go, this is a really good one. We should, nonetheless bear in mind that Eugene (an arrogant, condescending, less than helpful jerk who neglected his family (at best – the ways in which he seems to have expressed his disapproval of Roy's life choices arguably borders on abuse) and duties) would have been allowed to enter Celestia, were it not for the Blood Oath.
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2020-08-08, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Restoring lost paladin (and cleric and druid etc.) powers is basically the entire point of the atonement spell. It also lets you change another creature's alignment, but only if they want to and that's kind of dumb when changing alignment should be something that follows naturally from wanting to in the first place. It doesn't work unless the subject is truly repentant, or if they were forced to commit the acts that caused them to fall via compulsion magic, though. It also works to restore someone's alignment to what it was before if it got changed by some kind of magic (the only way to do that is the helm of opposite alignment, iirc)
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2020-08-08, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Eh, we have yet to see Eugene get in, so I'm not so certain. Even then, though, he never intentionally killed people with wanton disregard over whether they deserved it.
Eugene is in a holding pattern.
Also,there are 17 planes for 9 alignments. There's definitely some wiggle room regardless.
Would I not? If every person in HtPGHS or SOD was human, I can assure you I sound still be beating this exact same drum concerning the paladins.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2020-08-08, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
Well,
Spoiler: SoDin the epilogue of SoD we see the final assessment the bureaucratic deva gives on his chances, and he'd let Eugene in were the Blood Oath cleared. Let's hope they'll reconsider.
Even then, though, he never intentionally killed people with wanton disregard over whether they deserved it.
Not even trying to prevent their colleauges from slaughtering non-combatants (including children) is pretty much the same thing. (Also, for the umpteenth time, no Bearer ever had destroying the world as his/her primary mission.)Last edited by Metastachydium; 2020-08-08 at 02:38 PM.
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2020-08-08, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
It should be noted that fallen and unfallen but overzealous paladins would be right at home in Arcadia, the border plane between the lawful good and lawful neutral afterlives. The residents got so overzealous about mercilessly upholding the law that a whole layer of the plane just fell right down into lawful neutral and was destroyed, once.
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2020-08-08, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
If they were human cultists, they wouldn't have been created by the gods to be murdered by humans and downtrodden on purpose. If they were human cultists, their families wouldn't have anything to fear from "adventurers". Heck, if they were human cultists, there'd actually have been a chance that they'd be arrested and tried, not slaughtered, along with their children, for crying out loud! And if the entire world hadn't been built in a way that specifically harms them, and grievously, they'd not need to twist the arm of the gods.
That's the point. Their situation has to change.
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2020-08-08, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1209 - The Discussion Thread
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If a paladin stood by and watched it happen, had the power to stop it or dissuade it and didn't bother to try, had no guilt of assisting cutting down combatants trying to protect the non-combatants, and offered no reparation or even an apology for survivors that knew absolutely nothing about the Mantle, then yeah, it's evil full stop.
It might not be Evil on the cosmological scale, which means something's probably wrong about the way moralities are measured in the OOTSverse.
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2020-08-08, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except, as I noted above, everyone is made for that purpose. The world of the OotS is literally a farm for sentient cattle; they milk faith from them while alive then eat their souls when they die. The Goblins are worse off by a little, but every single individual should be rebelling.
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2020-08-08, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-08, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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The former I don't know about, but the latter is true. Given Durkon's information from Thor I would certainly be on team "let's get racial representatives together and collectively threaten the Gods."
Even Thor was more apologetic about the death of planets then the fact that they continually reset a cycle of misery to feed off of it. There is no "hey sorry we deliberately invented death and suffering to make you more nutritious for us" it is more "Sorry we have to close up shop and try again so often."
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2020-08-08, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I honestly don't know what RPGs you have played or participated in... By default, cultists in almost any medium serve the same purpose as so-called "monstrous races," that is they are the weak servants of some greater power that act as speed bumps for heroes to slaughter in droves. It is often the case that the cultists might have legitimate grievances against the established power, that they were indoctrinated as children, manipulated by another entity, or outright mind controlled. Oh, and if we treat a DM as a stand-in for a creator deity, then cultists (of any species) are, by definition, created specifically to be murdered by adventurers. This applies regardless of the species. RPGs as a general rule tend to fail on the "take prisoners, leave non-combatants be" front, and this has always been a problem in the genre.