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2020-11-14, 09:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-14, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
The "either..." comment was me clarifying what Zelphas got wrong about my presentation of the CC/RA section. It wasn't me stating my opinion on how each one leans, it was me pointing out what the possibilities are - if RA is scum, or CC is scum-innocent, it's likely the other is also scum (for the opposing scumteam), but if RA was just voided, we don't know either way about either of them.
CC and Valmark are placed higher in the list than I'd otherwise place them because they discarded scum-cards, although even if that weren't the case, Valmark would still be my best town lean.
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Both of these quotes are explaining Zelphas' reasoning for why they voted Captain Cap, but they don't fit together. One says voting CC because it's them or RA, and CC feels weirder. One says its a coinflip that RA is scum or town, while it's slightly more likely than coinflip that CC is town (assuming all possibilities are equally likely, which they are not).
AV1: "Here's my thoughts on RA/CC."
Z: "I'm voting CC cuz of [AV1]."
AV: "...that's not what I said tho. I said this."
V: "Walk me through why you're voting CC?"
Z: "Because of [AV2]."
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2020-11-14, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Uuuhm... Isn't there a contradiction?
First you say that AV said that RA could have been a non-Town scrier that scried a non-Town CC or a Town scrier that got voided.
Then you say that non-Town CC could have been scried by a Town RA which isn't among the previous options.
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2020-11-15, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
There's just another possibility that makes me 100% scum and he's vagueness about it it's a bit in contrast with his previous analysis:
Moreover, he seems to repeat AvatarVecna's point about being too excited: maybe AV was right or maybe RA is hiding behind the explanation given by one of the towniest around.
Putting this aside, the first part of the comment is the most compelling defense to me: real life can be distracting, especially in the situation he described, so it's plausible an error of assessment.
However, before I revaluate my vote I'll have to update myself on all the stuff that happened in the meantime, especially regarding Zelphas.Last edited by Captain Cap; 2020-11-15 at 04:16 AM.
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2020-11-15, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
That's a good point that Aliens would know gac was a backup, so the shot against him was probably just to avoid detection.
That makes sense, and also implies that the Alien team has at least one player left who's played with gac a few times.
In general here, it's better to put your thoughts down not only with arguements but with a vote - you're committing to a stance rather than feeling the waters before the rest of the group agrees. Definitely took me a few games to get used to playing here, I think I was pretty hesitant in the beginning and people thought I was too wishy-washy/wolfish.
My vote isn't doing anything right now, soCaptain Cap.
I can keep checking in for the next couple hours but I'll be away right around the deadline. Curious to see if either of the two absent players jump in to make an important vote.
Also want to note that Captain Cap vs Zelphas is the current options and CC didn't immediately vote Zelphas to help save himself. Not sure what to make of that yet but putting that out there.
Vote Count
Zelphas (3): AvatarVecna, Xihirli, Valmark
Captain Cap (4): The Outsider, rogue_alchemist, Zelphas, CaoimhinTheCape
Rogue_alchemist (1): Captain Cap
Not voting: PartyOfRogues, plentyLast edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-11-15 at 12:56 PM. Reason: spelling
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2020-11-15, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
About Zelphas:
Given how things turned out in the end, while bizarre, I don't think this post is incriminating at all. Let's assume they're a baddie, what would be the point of this comment? What does it say about possible allegiances?
Apogee1: he was the Serial Killer, so if they were protecting a scum-buddy, there was definitely no link with Apogee1.
Xihirli: Zelphas didn't vote her, but if they were allies, why don't just vote for Apogee1? It makes no sense.
AvatarVecna: was it a ploy to distance themself from AV? No way, it would have been a risky and ineffective move and AV definitely knows better.
Given the comment carries no strategical purpose for the benefit of possible (bad) allies, this seems at most a null tell to me.
Not only that, but I think we can safely exclude a Werewolf alignment: gac3 was still alive at the time (thus at least 1 buddie alive if WW), and given Zelphas is an inexperienced player, they could have counted on allies' suggestions and directions, leaving less room to such clumsy and eye-catching attempts.
So Zelphas bases their vote on me on AV's argument and TO's insights. Moreover they admit they're not really sure about the vote.
They repeat they're not really sure about the vote, then they bring a reason already noted by Valmark: I'm the other leading wagon, so if I don't die, they likely do. But is this really incriminating? I mean, if they're town, why would they want to risk their life to save someone they basically know nothing about, if not that they seem to be suspicious? Why would you sacrifice a town for someone who could be not-town?
This is the most suspicious comment so far, mainly due to the contradictions with their previous analysis and the interpretation of AV's arguments . Is this a baddie struggling to justify themselves or an inexperienced player who wasn't able to better explain their reasonings?
I would say wolf lean.
Overall, it seems more reasonable to vote Zelphas than rogue_alchemist.
By the way: I'm a Town Doctor. (At least if I die there would still be AvatarVecna around)
Given you're surely going to ask me, I protected myself Night 1 and rogue_alchemist Night 2.
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2020-11-15, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-15, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-15, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
I like the claim from Captain Cap. Not sure who is online now but I'm not sold on the Zelphas wagon even if that looks like it's going to be the lynch in 30 minutes.
Vote: PartyOfRogues. Claimed a roleblocking power which accounts for the no result that rogue_alchemist got. Didn't talk at all today which I'm not a fan of either, but I'm more confident in this vote than Zelphas who is at least contributing.
Is there anyone else online interested in the PoR wagon?
Vote Count
Zelphas (5): AvatarVecna, Xihirli, Valmark, Captain Cap, The Outsider
Captain Cap (2): rogue_alchemist, Zelphas
PartyOfRogues (1): CaoimhinTheCape
Not voting: PartyOfRogues, plenty
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Took a look back at the thread to see what PoR has done which was a random vote Day 1, joining the Apogee wagon with one vote on day 2, and then posting after the Apogee lynch so we know he's paying attention and doing things at night.
Mostly what I like about the claim is that CC didn't shy away from saying they visited RA overnight when a roleblocker did too.Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-11-15 at 12:56 PM.
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2020-11-15, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
I was the JOAT. On Night 1, I protected myself. On Night 2, I investigated Xihirli; she popped up Werewolf. You’ll see why I didn’t spill all of this in a few minutes, I’m sure.
Thank you for letting me play. It was fun.
Zelphas.
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2020-11-15, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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DAY 3 END
AvatarVecna voted ZELPHAS
Valmark voted ZELPHAS
The Outsider voted ZELPHAS
PartyOfRogues REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
Xihirli voted ZELPHAS
Captain Cap voted ZELPHAS
rogue_alchemist REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
CaomhinTheCape voted PARTYOFROGUES
Zelphas voted ZELPHAS
plenty REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
Zelphas recieved 6 votes.
PartyOfRogues recieved 1 vote.
3 players refused to take part in the corrupt institution of democracy.
Zelphas died today. They were hanged. Zelphas' role was Alien Jack of All Trades.Last edited by Unavenger; 2020-11-15 at 01:32 PM.
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2020-11-15, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-17, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
NIGHT 3 END
Despite their protestations, you never killed AvatarVecna - or at least, most of you didn't. Xihirli too lies dead, scorchmarks in her lupine body betraying the aliens' involvement. With two of the masterminds of the battle dead, there's everything still to play for.
AvatarVecna died tonight. They were clawed to death by a werewolf. AvatarVecna's role was Town Doctor.
Xihirli died tonight. She was shot to death with a blaster. Xihirli's role was Werewolf Roleblocker.
DAY 4 START
The day will end at 18:00, 19/11/2020Last edited by Unavenger; 2020-11-17 at 01:02 PM.
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2020-11-17, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Well, I have a busy day today but I want to at least jump in with a vote on PartyOfRogues. Same as yesterday, person who said they roleblocked but hasn't told us what they've done each night.
I was roleblocked yesterday. Could have been Xihirli, PoR, or someone else if we have more roleblockers around.
Only other piece of info I'll assume at first glance is that Werewolves do not have a doctor or they would have protected Xi.
rogue_alchemist, I'm not optimistic but did you get any results last night?
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2020-11-17, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-17, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-17, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, folks, bahposting is fine, extended deadchat-in-mainchat needs to stop now, though, please.
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2020-11-17, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Probably the former- if the werewolves had a Strongman they wouldn't need to kill AV or roleblock you (unless they didn't believe you to be a baner I guess).
That said, I'd rather go after people that have already acted suspiciously even if getting silent people to speak up more would be a good thing, plus getting two wagons going is generally better.
*Takes a look*
Using AV's ISOs as a quick recap of what happened, I see thatCaoimhinTheCapedid some stuff that could indicate non-Towniness- namely disagreeing with a theory then agreeing with when used to vote someone (it's pretty much the first thing in AV's ISO).
I'd also like to shine a light on plenty because I hadn't noticed that they straight up disappeared after retreating their vote. What do you think about what happened? Why didn't you vote anybody?
Note: I don't actually think you suspicious (yet, you've been fairly silent too), but I do wish to hear more.
Anybody else either I haven't got anything to note (TO, PoR) or they look towny enough by now (ra, CC). Does anybody have a guess at how many wolves/alien remain (werewolves if any).
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*? Instead of . At the end.Last edited by Valmark; 2020-11-18 at 01:15 PM.
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2020-11-17, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-17, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's true, although I'd argue that with an investigative and an unknown alien vigilante they'd have bigger problems around.
Speaking of which, I wonder why they killed Xihirli i.e. the obvious lynch. Personally I'd have left her for today to minimize the risk of an alien lynch and the possible info >.>
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Right, the bit about Xihirli refers to aliens, not to werewolves xD
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2020-11-17, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I guess I should have seen it coming, but I investigated AV last night and got No Result again. I am guessing I got blocked again last night. Someone needs to own up. Xi was a role locker, but there must be more of them about and blocking me makes it someone not town-friendly. I too would like to hear from plenty (FOS for now) about the voting and thoughts on how yesterday played out. But with 2 major actives dead, it is now hard to figure out who to target.
For numbers, there are 7 of us left and no scrum group has 4 or else the game would be over. We know at least 1 alien and probably at least 1 more werewolf. Out of the 8 dead there have been 2 ww, 2 aliens, 3 town, and 1 serial killer. So I would guess more like 2 ww and 2 aliens given the preference most would have. So that means 3 town (or 2 town and survivalist). Based on av's iso, I would say Valmark is the only other town lock I have, the CC is pretty towny to me.
I think Cao and PoR are both pretty suspicious. I'llvote CaoLast edited by rogue_alchemist; 2020-11-18 at 11:44 AM.
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2020-11-17, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not completely convinced of CC's towniness yet, but if AV trusted them and Valmark does as well, I'll put my suspicions aside.
Caoiminh,what are you and what can you tell us?
Also, if Caoiminh can give a good response then my next line of suspicion is on plenty. As stated, they've been rather quiet, and quiet is something to be avoided.
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2020-11-17, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
That's more what I expected of today. I had hoped to wait for everyone to respond before my claim, but it's probably better to give you guys the info early.
I'm town universal backup turned town watcher. Figured by picking backup I would know right away if I was the only townie and if I was I would get the ability on my discard (killing). As for my results:
Night 1: No one visited JeenLeen
Night 2: Captain Cap and PartyOfRogues visited rogue_alchemist.
Night 3: NO RESULT
During Day 2 I kept pushing for Captain Cap to claim, mostly to see if I could catch him in a lie. I figured that bad guys wouldn't claim they didn't visit RA, so when he claimed Town Doc I was satisfied. Would have liked PartyOfRogues to claim before me too but here we are.
I looked back at AV's post, about disagreeing with a theory and then agreeing. That's not fully accurate? The theory that I disagreed with was that your discarded faction indicates what you chose as your faction. Below is the full text of what I agreed with:
Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape
As for setup, my guesses include:
- 2-3 roleblockers (one of which I'm guessing is PoR)
- 1 Alien Vigilante (probably/hopefully less alien cards in the deck, given their stronger powers)
- 0 Alien Roleblockers (would have left Xi alive to try and steal a kill)
- 1-3 Wolves (we saw no discards, last time the faction was very big)
- If there's more than one Wolf, probably a Strongman (to get through CC's heal)
Not sure why the Aliens went after Xi, but if we assume Wolves have a roleblocker than the investigative is not an issue.
Why did you decide to investigate AV? As far as I could tell, AV seemed pretty townish to me and I assumed you would try to investigate someone you weren't as sure on (myself or PartyOfRogues).
That is fair to have suspicions of CC, since they did target someone who was roleblocked and then someone who died. But I'm not worried about CC right now.
On the note of being suspicious, 3 people in a row just called out myself and Plenty as the people who are suspicious to start. I don't necessarily blame you guys but there could be a faction with three people left in it who would work as a powerful voting block. We gotta be careful of today's lynch.
Vote Count
PartyOfRogues (2): CaoimhinTheCape, Captain Cap
CaoimhinTheCape (3): Valmark, rogue_alchemist, The Outsider
Not Voting: PartyOfRogues, Plenty
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2020-11-18, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-11-18, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Putting down all my thoughts regarding Xi and Zelphas. Honestly was hoping I could draw more conclusions but my assumtions because of the reread are...
- There's pretty much no way rogue_alchemist is a Wolf
- I'm kinda thinking Valmark is not an Alien?
- CC probably isn't an Alien
- No idea on The Outsider
- rogue_alchemist and CC could be Town together, I doubt they are Wolves together or Aliens together
Spoiler: Xihirli
Spoiler: ZelphasVery minor points to Valmark for calling out Zelphas early day 2, so possibly means Val is not Alien?
Valmark brings up Zelphas again but isn't sure if he wants to commit to suspicions. The logic tracks from the last post, but could be distancing a buddy?
But very soon after we got a vote which puts Zelphas in the lead. Feel better about Valmark not being an Alien.
Makes me think CC is not an Alien. Zelphas could have joined in voting PoR for not talking or rogue_alchemist at this point to make it 3v2v2v1. Even if there were two Alien wagons leading that day, my guess is they would rather lose the JOAT (Zelphas in this scenario) than the Killer (CC in this scenario). So I don't see Zelphas voting another Alien.
CC didn't vote Zelphas right away, but if they were both Aliens distancing my guess is they would have voted each other earlier.
Quick vote on Zelphas near the end of the day (2 hours till deadline). No idea how to take this. CC had just claimed Town Doc and voted Zelphas, making the wagons 4v4 with CC dying in the tiebreaker. If Outsider was an Alien, he could have let things lie and save Zelphas. Apparently a couple people unvoted CC that I didn't include in my vote counts, but I don't know when that happened. If Outsider had seen that people unvoted, they may have bussed for townie points.
Slight points toward CC and RA not being Aliens together? CC could have tried to start another wagon but the vote makes enough sense to me.
Thinking through the possibility of Xi and CC as both Wolves who were trying to lynch the town Investigative. If that's true, then CC could have blocked RA and then blocked AV last night.
Was hoping that by the end of my read through I would come to some sort of conclusion but I don't have much here.
Vote Count
PartyOfRogues (3): CaoimhinTheCape, Captain Cap, The Outsider
CaoimhinTheCape (2): Valmark, rogue_alchemist
Not Voting: PartyOfRogues, Plenty
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If PartyOfRogues and plenty don't show up to post today, I'm definitely OK with lynching them.
PoR was active Night 2 and didn't talk Day 3, so I'm guessing they're still paying attention at night and could be a problem.
Gotta look back at plenty's posts to form an opinion but they didn't interact at all with Zelphas or Xi as far as I could tell.
At this point, everyone who was active yesterday has posted. I assume if anyone had concrete evidence against someone they would have told us by now?Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-11-18 at 11:03 AM. Reason: correcting vote count
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2020-11-18, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
Sorry for my suspicion Cao, just hard to know who to trust in this game of so many scums. Your claim and explanation are satisfactory, so I would say PoR visiting me likely means he is a scum, though I would like to hear from CaptainCap why he visited me as well. It seems we visited each other that night and something strange happend. I got no results. Both Cao and I getting no results last night means that there are likely two or 3 roleblockers still active.
As for why I visited AV, he seemed pretty towny, but I wanted to make sure we weren't being lamb to the slaughter and following someone who was trying to wield town to do his dirty business. Trust but verify (if you can). I know Xi was a roleblocker from their death, so they may account for 1 of the ones, but who else. Xi didn't visit me the first night I got no result, so must be PoR or CC are the other one. I am hoping it is PoR, but like I said, I still want to hear more from CC.
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2020-11-18, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
No worries on suspecting me, I would have been surprised if no one did by this point.
I thought CC had claimed that he tried to protect you Night 2 as Town Doc.
As for claims, so far we have rogue_alchemist as Investigator, CC as Doc, Cao as Watcher, and PoR said they blocked Apogee. The Outsider, Valmark, and plenty haven't claimed. Not sure we're quite at the point where I want them all to claim but we're getting there.
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Vote Count
PartyOfRogues (4): CaoimhinTheCape, Captain Cap, The Outsider, rogue_alchemist
CaoimhinTheCape (1): Valmark
Not Voting: PartyOfRogues, Plenty