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2021-01-25, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Blackwing and his sense of sight.
I don't think this is going to have any "Chekhov's gun" type narrative significance but I'm curious about how colors are perceived by animals, familiars, humans and other races in the OOTSverse and, by extension, in D&D.
Is there any reference in the strips to color blindness?
Is there any canonical description in any D&D rulebook about the sense of sight in birds or dogs or elves?
Are there any other tidbits of information on these topics that you remember and think might be interesting?
Of course, this question came to my mind when I saw Roy and Blackwing arguing in the present strip about the yellowness of a ground that I, for one, perceive as "dirty greenish."Last edited by Ginasius; 2021-01-25 at 03:38 PM.
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2021-01-25, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Blackwing's insight {vis a vis V} is its raison d'etre.
Blackwing's sense of style far exceeds its sense of sightLast edited by KorvinStarmast; 2021-01-25 at 03:43 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
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2021-01-26, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Most birds, including corvids, are tetrachromats which is the farthest thing from colour blindness that I can think of. D&D statblocks do not reflect this, though, as far as I can tell.
Last edited by Metastachydium; 2021-01-26 at 05:35 AM.
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2021-02-01, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Thanks a lot to all of you that have answered in this not particularly succesfull thread.
Life is like a ladder in a henhouse; it is short, but full of guano.
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2021-02-01, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
I had to look up that term, and found it quite interesting, and in particular this bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy
Tetrachromacy may also enhance vision in dim lighting...
Something similar to the 5e darkvision thing, though I wonder at how related it is to a few of the low light vision enhancing sensors we had on a few of our aircraft ... anyway, this thread was helpful to me.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2021-02-01 at 03:16 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2021-02-01, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-02, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-02, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
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2021-02-02, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-02, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Well, about colourblindness specifically, darkvision in 3rd edition D&D doesn't allow the person to see colour in the dark, effectivelly making them colourblind under those circunstances. Other than that, I don't think there are any differences between the vision capabilities of the different races.
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2021-02-03, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
So one would expect, however... experiments have found that mantis shrimps are worse at discriminating between different colors compared to most animals that have three or four types of color receptors. It instead appears that their color vision system is adapted for recognizing colors quickly, but not necessarily distinguishing subtle differences among different shades of color.
My post count is not high enough to link a relevant article directly, so this will have to do: nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2014/01/23/the-mantis-shrimp-sees-like-a-satellite/
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2021-02-05, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
I came to mention the binturongs as a colorblind creature, but hamishpence beat me to it.
On the other hand, there's also 'farther'.
Farther is used to compare physical distances. Mars is farther than the moon. If you can meaningfully use a physical measurement, you can use 'farther'.
Further is used to compare metaphorical distances, such as going further than 3 types of cones in your eyes. I could go further into examples of how to use 'further,' for example.
Learned that from watching Finding Forrester a while back.
Having now gotten my inner editor off my back, please feel free to ignore this post.Last edited by Lord Torath; 2021-02-05 at 09:58 AM.
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2021-02-17, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
I don't believe it's ever been mentioned or even alluded to in strip, but Hinjo is red-green colorblind
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2021-02-17, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Dion; 2021-02-17 at 11:40 AM.
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2021-02-26, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
By the way, I just learned that this:
is considered the ugliest color in the world. It is pantone 448C and was "created" to inspire rejection on Australian tobacco packs.
I find some similarities to the floor of this final dungeon. Is Serini trying to make visitors uncomfortable?Life is like a ladder in a henhouse; it is short, but full of guano.
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2021-02-26, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2021-02-26, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-28, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
A note, not about colors, but relative to the sense of sight and positively part of the OOTSverse canon.
In comic #1101 Minrah and Blackwing have this dialogue:
Vaarsuvius: (makes a ball of light appear) Light.
Minrah: What's that for?
Blackwing: Halflings and humans can't see in the dark.
Minrah: Wow, not even shapes? Not even up close?
Blackwing: They are such limited creatures. I choose to pity them.
I infer that both Minrah and Blackwing can see in the dark.Life is like a ladder in a henhouse; it is short, but full of guano.
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2021-02-28, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Dwarves have Darkvision in 3.5. Familiars are Magical Beasts, and Magical Beasts have Darkvision. They're augmented from animals, and the base animal (a Raven in this case) has low-light vision - so this strip is consistent with the way the rules handle Dwarfs and Familiars.
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