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2019-06-19, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-06-19, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
It also would seem that the waste heat is significant during normal operation.
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2019-06-19, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
Having spoken to a few women on the matter, the answer is because by and large nothing else gets made these days unless they want to go shopping for men's clothes, which themselves frequently don't fit well. Their options for pants tend to range from "uncomfortable" to "who even thought this was a good idea?"
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-06-19, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
While this could have been just a fallout of including emoji in everything whatsoever...
This does confim the excessive heat production, which I find quite baffling. What is all the electricity used for? Still, it does mean that the warm winter clothing would work for robots as well.In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2019-06-19, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-19, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
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2019-06-19, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
And that's in an immensly small volume, hence the high temperature. If we go by power usage of currently available processors then yes, you end up with comparable or higher estimated skin temperature for a humanoid AI chassis (in ideal circumstances, where no thermoregulation is needed, human body generates about 160 W of heat most of which is dissipated by radiation). However, we know fully well, that an AI can fit in a much smaller body (Pintsize, old Winslow's and Momo's chassis). We have no reason to assume that thinking capacity is different between big and small bodies, yet the small bodies were not overheating as would be expected, if heat generation was a necessary byproduct of running the electronic brain. The small bodies did not have any dedicated radiators or active venting mechanisms, so we have to conclude that the AI core is generating far less heat then currently used personal computers.
In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2019-06-19, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
I didn't say anything about they "Shouldn't be", I said it would be difficult to convince them to do so.
But, okay, let's break this down.
Question 1: Why did the state give May a body?
May was a prisoner in Robot Jail. As far as we know, AI's seem to have three potential states of being.
1) They live on a server somewhere, managing nuclear reactors or doing high-frequency trading (This is what May did previously)
2) They inhabit some sort of highly specialized body (Such as Jeremy the sentient welding arm, or the talking toaster from when Momo was buying her new chassis)
3) They inhabit an all-purpose "Humanoid" Chassis, whether roughly human sized, or the smaller AnthroPC sized ones. In this third case, they're basically just humans from the perspective of how they participate in society.
So, in order to Release May from Robot Jail, they need somewhere to put her. Options 1 and 2 are both role-focused tasks, so unless she already had a job lined up (Which she didn't), the only thing to do is pick Option #3, put her in a body, and send her out on the street like they would a human parolee. So, in order to effectively Parole May, the state MUST provide her with a body. This isn't because she is "Owed" anything in a legal sense, but because anything less would be a violation of her legal rights. If they, say, loaded her onto a hard-drive and left it outside the prison gates, she would not be "Released" in any real sense.
The closest real-world human equivalent would be the state "Releasing you from Prison" by flying you out to a remote island, stranding you there without any means of calling for help, and claiming they've done their jobs since you're not in jail anymore.
This isn't touching on the moral question of what the state SHOULD be doing for May. This is merely a question of what they MUST do to respect her rights as a citizen.
So, question 2) Is it the State's responsibility to fix May's chassis.
We don't know the specifics of the in-universe legal statutes that govern this sort of thing (The statutes that say "You can't just leave a hard-drive outside the gates"). But I guess the root would be "Did the state violate May's rights by providing her with a defective chassis".
I would argue yes, yes they did. The poor quality of her chassis is causing severe issues with her ability to function in society. They owe her a decently functional chassis for the same reasons they owe her one in the first place.
Now, the challenge is convincing the bureaucracy that May is enduring Undue Hardship due to her government-provided cheapo-chassis.
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2019-06-19, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-19, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-19, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
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2019-06-20, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
Well, some goes to the monitor, or a few LEDs, the speakers, running the hard drive and fans... And probably some things I forget right now.
Huh, when I stuck my finger in my running fan it just caused the PC to crash from sudden overheating. But we're talking about a rather cheap one.
Also, that's what you get for intimidating people, Roko.
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2019-06-20, 03:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
Wow, has Roko done anything off-screen to Beeps that we didn't see? Cause "terrifying force of malevolence" is not really how i'd describe her during their past interactions.
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2019-06-20, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
I think Beeps is reacting to last comic, where Roko started giving her orders. She looked more than a little terrified in the final panel.
We know Beeps hates confrontations, and Roko's order was for Beeps to phone a store with an unreasonable demand. (Which was again uncool on Roko's part. If you phone a business saying "I don't care if you're booked up; your tech has to see us today. In fact, we're already on our way over," their correct response would be unprintable here. More and more, I'm glad Roko is no longer a cop.) Beeps doesn't like to do that kind of thing, so she freaked out a bit, and in turn freaked out the store clerk.Last edited by mucat; 2019-06-20 at 09:04 AM. Reason: run-on sentence
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2019-06-20, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
It is certainly pretty unkind for Roko to tell her (rather incompetent) coworker to essentially 'get it done/make it work' while she heads out. That's placing someone into an extremely uncomfortable position (no way was Beeps okay placing that phone call). You're not wrong that a store would not react well to this scenario, but I think this kind of behavior works in scripted shows and the like a lot more than it would in real life. And, at least in QC today, it actually did work. So my impression is that Jeph either 1) is just leaning in to unrealistic sitcom tropes, or maybe 2) doesn't even know that this isn't how the world works. OTOH, I have to believe that Jeph is deliberately telegraphing pretty hardly that Roko is going well more manic than she needs to be/going off half-cocked.
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2019-06-20, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
I, meanwhile, think "Beepatrice is utterly incapable of doing her job under normal circumstances and finds someone pushing her to actually do so to be a terrifying force of malevolence" is at least part of the intended takeaway here.
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2019-06-20, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
The Worldbuilding Forum -- where realities are born.
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2019-06-20, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
While that was part of my takeaway as well, theres basically no part of this where Roko has been acting appropriately. For all her purported fear of cops being dirty and falling prey to temptation, she herself is being pretty hypocritical here, circumventing procedures and outright breaking the law to get May out of work.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-06-20, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
The thing is, we have never seen Beep do this before, or how she normally handles things. Yes, she seems rather hesitant but also Roko is pushing way too hard, expecting a business that has nothing to do with the problem to make time for her as if it's an emergency, which it clearly is not. That's at best impolite.
I don't know where this is going.. It might be just a joke, it might lead to her realizing she's overreacting because of her own problems or... The police thing. Which is a bad can of worms.
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2019-06-20, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
The "comically inept" charity (as in Beepatrice, etc) and robo-parole system both seem to NEED an aggressive "pushing too hard" kick in the pants.
I'm starting to get the sense that for every Roko or Bubbles who is living a serious and real life, there are a lot of AIs out there who are children playing at adult roles, just mimicking the things they see their "older siblings" the humans doing -- Melon, Beepatrice, etc.It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
The Worldbuilding Forum -- where realities are born.
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2019-06-20, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
Presuming you mean, before strip #4025, sure. The problem is what we saw as soon as anything beyond paper-pushing came up. (Never mind beyond paper-pushing, since part of it was not being able to use a printer; anything real.)
4025: "Help a convicted felon get a functional body? Um...I'm more of an ideas person...try asking nicely?" In that strip, Roko was acting like someone asking her friendly, competent boss for advice on doing what their business exists for. Beepatrice...was not acting competent.
4026: "Do either of you know how to install a toner cartridge? I didn't realize I needed my printer to actually work before!" Roko was still being polite and deferential, though her frustration was visible to readers.
4027: "She means well." "Forgot my logon password!" "...okay, she's an idiot."
4028: Roko asks Beepatrice to do a part of her job, not deferentially, but politely. Beepatrice tries to put her off. Roko snaps at her. Beepatrice scurries off, apparently finding Roko to be a terrifying force of malevolence who had no reason to be more than slightly irked.
...so yeah.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2019-06-20, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
Yeah the last part about wanting it done today was a bit of a push but aside from being in an odd hurry to take care of everything right this very moment for some reason, roko hasnt done anything to cause beeptrice to react in such a way that she warns this register jockey he needs to be utterly terrified and do as she says or else. The thing is, I sort of understand it both from a character perspective and a narrative one. It wouldnt be much of a story arc if its "Ok, meet me in 10 days for an appointment, then afterwards we can decide where to go for a checkup," etc etc etc And also, I can see that roko is very fired up about this so it makes sense she wants to take care of it right away. Really the only part im actually not happy about is the crack about the manager and extorting a paid day off for may. I guess its all a part of how carried away she gets but I am still kinda hoping for an epiphany where she realizes she is going too far. This seems like a good excuse for one as she has utterly terrified a guy she hasnt even met yet with the way she is acting (somehow)
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-06-20, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
The two states are not exclusive. Beepatrice does seem incompetent and Roko is acting inappropriately at the very end.
Note that Roko did not ASK Beep to do something. She told her to, and furthermore told her to treat it as an emergency (which it does NOT appear to be). Beep asking to schedule it as an appointment is exactly the way it should be done. After all, you may have bots in queue who are actually not physically functional at the moment.
May even addresses it. "I thought you said she was YOUR boss". There are plenty of places where treating your boss like that gets you fired (and deservedly so)."That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2019-06-20, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
Verisimilitude -- n, the appearance or semblance of truth, likelihood, or probability.
The concern is not realism in speculative fiction, but rather the sense that a setting or story could be real, fostered by internal consistency and coherence.
The Worldbuilding Forum -- where realities are born.
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2019-06-20, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
I was also under the impression that Roko was driven to help others, which is likely why she joined the police force and left when FELONS were being mistreated. She might not be delicate about her compassion, but she's going to help no matter what.
Through I agree with Traab. How the hell do you get a position helping people stuck in decaying and broken bodies and not have a slightly thick skin? Roko might be inappropriate, but she was curt, not a biting off her head and threatening all that Beeps holds dear. I don't know a lot of ex-police officers, but I would imagine that them alongside ex-firefighters and ex-EMT as being very straight to the point and blunt about things when **** needs to get done.
This exchange makes me wonder if the intended take away is that Beeps is INCREDIBLY two-faced, in that she'll present a situation where she felt slighted as Roko rampaging across Boston like Godzilla instead of using communication skills. You know, like someone in charge of people should?Instead of gently correcting Roko away from the clients, she's damaging Roko's professional reputation for who knows how long to come.For all of your completely and utterly honest needs. Zaydos made, Tiefling approved.
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2019-06-20, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XV: I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS! I Told You This Thread Was Weird
For all of your completely and utterly honest needs. Zaydos made, Tiefling approved.
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