League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk

[TechnOkami]

I honestly couldn't tell what I liked most... although I'd have to say the Zilean Clock on the wall was pretty entertaining.

[Delusion]

The title was "We all need our supports" or something like that, so it makes, sense, I just noticed that Thresh is missing from the picture and he is a really popular support AFAIK... I feel he would be the scary caretaker who frightens childs into behaving.

I remember seeing that picture way before Thresh came.

[Eldariel]

I remember seeing that picture way before Thresh came.

Yup, it's an oldie; I believe it's been posted in this thread too. From last year, I think. Or maybe early 2013, not sure.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Really? I just found it today while browsing funnyjunk.

[Silverraptor]

Nothing relevant to the ongoing conversation, but I found this image just too cute not to share

Spoiler

Show

I have this as one of my desktop wallpapers. Wish I had more from the artist.

[Siosilvar]

Really? I just found it today while browsing funnyjunk.

Funnyjunk, the site which only gets around to posting things like six months after it was new, and has more reposts than Reddit?

[Dusk Eclipse]

Probably.....

[Forrestfire]

I remember finding it and saving it a while back.

Maybe I should start putting dates on my picture files.

[Antonok]

you know Blitz is OP when the support asks who he should choose and all 4 other people reply BLITZ at the same time.

[Merellis]

you know Blitz is OP when the support asks who he should choose and all 4 other people reply BLITZ at the same time.

Less OP, more Game Changer.

[Eldariel]

you know Blitz is OP when the support asks who he should choose and all 4 other people reply BLITZ at the same time.

Then he proceeds to land no hooks on lane, sits in the brush while enemy support harasses him and his AD down and forces the base and midgame he just pulls Zac in to save him the trouble of using Elastic Slingshot. Seriously, unless I know we're talking about a very good Blitz-player, I'd rather have just about any other support. Blitz is so very hit'n'miss and absolutely horrible on lane when behind.

[Antonok]

Then he proceeds to land no hooks on lane, sits in the brush while enemy support harasses him and his AD down and forces the base and midgame he just pulls Zac in to save him the trouble of using Elastic Slingshot. Seriously, unless I know we're talking about a very good Blitz-player, I'd rather have just about any other support. Blitz is so very hit'n'miss and absolutely horrible on lane when behind.

This one was pretty good. He landed most of his hooks (usually thru walls) and I didn't need to gank bot but once at the beginning.

[Olinser]

you know Blitz is OP when the support asks who he should choose and all 4 other people reply BLITZ at the same time.

I'll take Thresh over Blitz just about 100% of the time.

[Eurus]

I'll take Thresh over Blitz just about 100% of the time.

Thresh is also pretty ridiculous, to be fair.

And ugh, a reasonably competent Blitz is probably my most despised champion. His zone of control in lane is seriously frustrating.

[Cogwheel]

Thresh is also pretty ridiculous, to be fair.

Ridiculous (ri·dic·u·lous), adj.: Sort of like being outrageous, but not as good.

[toasty]

So here's something I think I'm having a problem with: As a BRUISER, someone who dives the enemy backline (or has gapclosers to do so) like Irelia, Jax, Nocturne, Aatrox, etc. What do you do in late game?

Specifically: the situation is thus: the enemy has very strong brusiers, not a lot of mobility, but very tanky: Darius, Voli, Nasus, Yorick, Udyr, etc. They have a a low mobility mage and a high mobility ADC. You have a similar lineup in terms of backline. What do you do?

I think the major issue probably wasn't my play, but the fact that we had a support soraka who couldn't initiate like the enemy Sona, and our Xerath made several questionable decisions mid game that caused him to die (effectively he refused to kite and/or let me be our frontline and found himself very close to the enemy bruisers when in literally every other fight I managed to keep bruisers off him).

I feel like, especially as a jungler, I tend to do OKAY at applying pressure during early-mid game. But I often feel that once a game goes to past 30 minutes, I lose control of my ability to control the game at all.

[ex cathedra]

it depends on which of those champions you were playing and exactly how lategame is lategame.

it sounds like you were playing jungle aatrox, past a certain point you're just going to need to peel. your scaling sucks and their bruiser selection can probably kill you fairly trivially if you try to 1v1 their adc.

aatrox is only effective as an anti-carry in very specific situations, most of which aren't 5v5s.

[MCerberus]

I hate to hedged this, but:

It depends on what champion, what matchups, what position you're all in, and what the engage looks like. Jax in particular likes to dive like a submarine on the carry and rely on the full-tank to initiate. I guess I'd say 'can the support peel?'

Which in your case is reason 500,000,000 why people don't play Soraka much.

[Joran]

I have to admit, I like Steak's afro and his name. It's so easy to shout too: "RUN STEAK RUN!"

[Nerocite]

Spoiler

Show

Can't say I was surprised by the SK 2-0 win. Piglet OP.

[Joran]

Spoiler

Show

Can't say I was surprised by the SK 2-0 win. Piglet OP.

Spoiler

Show

Impact was an absolute beast, completely unkillable.

We get a same region semifinal which is a disappointment since I want to see how NJS matches up with the rest of the world.

[ex cathedra]

Spoiler

Show

We get a same region semifinal which is a disappointment since I want to see how NJS matches up with the rest of the world.

Spoiler

Show

This isn't so bad, no one really knows how NJBS matches up against other korean teams either.

[Joran]

Spoiler

Show

well... We might have a contender for best ADC in the world with Uzi. Also, why would you not first pick Zed if he falls through?!

I'd highly, highly recommend OMG vs. Royal. Absurd aggression and really fun to watch.

[Laudandus]

Spoiler

Show

well... We might have a contender for best ADC in the world with Uzi. Also, why would you not first pick Zed if he falls through?!

I'd highly, highly recommend OMG vs. Royal. Absurd aggression and really fun to watch.

Spoiler

Show

Uzi is the best ADC in the world, I'm fairly certain. He looked like he could play on par with freakin' Faker, and Faker makes everyone else look bad. I'm excited to see SKT vs Royal (and I'm really hoping for SKT vs Royal).

If you looked after the Zed pick, OMG hovered over Kayle, which makes me think that they were considering the Kayle counterpick but chickened out at the last moment; if that's what happened and they were baiting for Kayle, like I suspect, boy did they mess up.

[Nadevoc]

OMG vs Royal: all the ridiculous aggression of bots, but with world-class skill to back it up. Definitely good games to watch.

Spoiler

Show

And Royal is looking very strong. OMG looked so good in the group stage, and Royal comes in and knocks them out. Uzi is amazing. Definitely looking forward to Royal vs Fnatic; should be cool to see the extreme aggression matched up against the teleport/mobility game of Fnatic.

[Olinser]

So...

What's a full item build for Zed look like, anyway?

I don't think I've seen any LCS or Worlds game with Zed in it get past Last Whisper, BoTRK, Brutalizer (most of the time they don't even make it to Black Cleaver) and Boots.

What would their last items be - a GA and maybe a Bloodthirster?

[Eldariel]

So...

What's a full item build for Zed look like, anyway?

I don't think I've seen any LCS or Worlds game with Zed in it get past Last Whisper, BoTRK, Brutalizer (most of the time they don't even make it to Black Cleaver) and Boots.

What would their last items be - a GA and maybe a Bloodthirster?

Depends on the enemy team, as always. BoRK, LW and Black Cleaver are more or less given; usually you want a Mercurial Scimitar on top, and then something else (Randuin's, Maw of Malmortius, Bloodthirster, GA, etc.) depending on the game.

[toasty]

it depends on which of those champions you were playing and exactly how lategame is lategame.

it sounds like you were playing jungle aatrox, past a certain point you're just going to need to peel. your scaling sucks and their bruiser selection can probably kill you fairly trivially if you try to 1v1 their adc.

aatrox is only effective as an anti-carry in very specific situations, most of which aren't 5v5s.

It was actually Nocturne. Similar type of hero though.

[Artanis]

So, finally got around to getting this game after stumbling on some VODs on YouTube.

Server: North America
Forum Name: Artanis
Summoner Name: LegacyCWAL



My experience so far:

I was fairly good at Tides of Blood* back in WC3, but that was a zillion years ago. Thus far I've played the two tutorials and a few Coop vs. AI games. I think I know of a couple things I know I need to learn how to do**, but even the most talented players (of which I am the exact opposite) would still be trash going into their literal second day with the game.


What I have:

-Level 5
-Champions: Nunu (he's cheap, he's "Recommended", and he lets me call myself "Nunu-noob" ) and Ryze (which I instantly realized was a mistake since he's currently free).
-Runes: One of the ultra-cheap Runes that I got just to get a look at how the system worked.



What I need for now:

Any very very general advice would be greatly appreciated. Even specific builds would be well beyond what I'm trying to learn at this point. A couple specific things I'd like to know:
-Which Masteries, if any, are "Take this no matter what regardless of hero and build" and which masteries, if any, are "Even thinking about taking this is Doing It Wrong."
-Similar advice for items (although slightly more specific). Stuff like "This item is required for AD Carries, this item is required for Tops, etc".
-Whether it's better to start with Melee heroes (because it'd force me to learn not-getting-killed habits early) or Ranged heroes (because it'd let me learn other stuff without spending half the game waiting for my death timer to finish).


Many thanks in advance


*It had the same basic concept as DoTA, but significantly different strategy.

**Such as getting better at reliably last-hitting minions as opposed to just attacking them until they die.

[Dusk Eclipse]

So my mouse broke down mid-game, one second it was working fine, the next it didn't respond at all. It was horrible and now I am trying to find a mouse that works beause trying to play with the mousepad is a horrible, horrible thing that no one should have to experience.