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2007-04-03, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Supernatural abilities, being inherently magical but not magic in and of themselves, do not function in an AMF.
The key difference between SU and SP abilities is that SU abilities are usually considered to be magical-albeit-natural (like a dragon's breath weapon), while SP abilities are really just a natural predication towards magical spells (like a gnome's spell-like abilities).Wiki - Q&A - FB - LIn - Tw
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While keeping "most." Yes some TOB abilities are SU, some aren't. You as a villain who specializes in the non SU abilities will be far better prepared to fight in an AMF field than the players who are most likely used to their magic items and buffs for magic is so good that they would built their character around such things.
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2007-04-03, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't have the book on tap, and was a little unclear about a couple things.
I notice that you only mention that it fills a 5' square, and nothing about it's height... a 5' square is also 5' tall, is it not? A 5' cube is not that much of an obstacle, and by the time you have characters that can qualify for the class flying isn't too hard to come by.
Occupying a 5' square is not the same thing as filling it; a 3' diameter column would occupy a 5' square. Unless it's clearer in the actual description, I wouldn't interpret it the way that you have; it would make columns, not wall segments.
Of course, it's possible that the actual description is clearer than what you've presented... but if it's not, insisting on one interpretation over the other without is kind of silly, and I'd expect most GM's to go with what is least abusable.Last edited by Jayabalard; 2007-04-03 at 04:06 PM.
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2007-04-03, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-03, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, if you take that literally, then it's a column of earth, not rock as suggested by previous posts. Quite a bit of difference, I daresay.
"I had thought - I had been told - that a 'funny' thing is a thing of goodness. It isn't. Not ever is it funny to the person it happens to. Like that sheriff without his pants. The goodness is in the laughing. I grok it is a bravery... and a sharing... against pain and sorrow and defeat."
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2007-04-03, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm AFB, so I don't have the ability to quote directly, but as far as I recall, it actually states "stone."
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2007-04-03, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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The pillar is lifted up out of the earth, so yeah, I'd imagine it's not going to be pushed over very easily, short of snapping it at it's base.
It says that the pillar can be 5 or 10 feet tall, and occupies a 5' square. It doesn't specifiy how big around it actually is, but I would say you could make it a 5x5 square and have it 10' tall and make a wall.
Something that just popped into my head...once you create a pillar, it's non-magical natural stone....in the ability it says that you can only create one of these from natural stone, so would you be able to create one of these on top of another to get a higher wall?
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2007-04-04, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Since it's not specified, there's really no reason to assume that rather than ruling the opposite, which to me seems the more likely choice for a GM, since that makes the ability not so abusable.
Column often implies a cylindrical or rounded shape that taper as they rise; all of the descriptions in the wikipedia article on columns mention cylinders. It also implies a single rising object with space around it, not a bunch of solid blocks
As a 5-10' wall, the great wall of china this is not (which ranges from 5-8 meters high, 16.4 to 26.2 feet).
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2007-04-04, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, okay, using this to protect your kingdom might not be the best idea. I think that was much more of an extreme-case proof-of-concept anyway. You'd use this to wall of short-term fortifications, camps etc, when you can easily double or triple the layers of pillars. Sure, a rogue or small monster could possibly squeeze through an array of pillars, but it'll defend against larger beasts or armies, which is the point really.
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2007-04-04, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Are you allowed to stand on the pillar as you're creating it?
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You can make .9 miles of it at 25' tall per day. Of course, this is only 5' thick. The real wall is actually about 16' thick. If made your wall 15' thick, then you could put out .3 miles of it per day. The wall is about 3,950 miles long. One person could build it in slightly under 36 years. Not bad, considering how long it took the chinese to make it.
Don't forget Dwarves stabilty bonus.Last edited by martyboy74; 2007-04-04 at 09:27 AM.
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2007-04-04, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, there's nothing that says that it's 5' thick, just that it occupies a 5' square... it might be 3' in diameter. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing that states that you can use this to create a perfectly square 5'x5x'5' cube.
It seems likely that each time you add another layer that there's an increasing chance of the upper layers would tumble off or that the whole thing would break and crumble, especially if the columns don't taper. That is, of course, a good portion of the reason why the ancient real world stone columns taper like they do.
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2007-04-04, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-04, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-04, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Looking at the book, the description says that the areas around you are "buckled and steeply sloped". Also, Crashing Mountain Juggernaut refers to your fortress as a "temporary hill". To me, it looks like it raises your entire square up, and has the squares near as an improvised hillside. If you were to use the ability in a nearby square, they (in my opinion) would be connected.
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that dwarf sure would be stoned
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