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2021-08-13, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, are you saying BW is the town or the wolf in that group?
(Also bladescape never voted Apogee, so presumably he didn’t bus. Speaking of bladescape... it’s your fault that we nearly killed rogue_alchemist who was town. I don’t really care that much with the flip we did get, though.)I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-13, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry. I missed the or wolf part. I think Emmy is the most likely wolf and BW town. But not much evidence.
Oh crap. I thought he was the first to switch to Apogee. Did they switch to Aventine then? Oh. I thought they had switched from RA to Apogee. Now I'm less sure on any Bladescape reads.
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2021-08-13, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not an unexpected kill really, now you get to see the Ghost role gac (and Poltergeists).
I don't see how Snowblaze is evil at this point, for starting the wagon on Apogee and with Apogee voting her.
Under that logic, the main wagons on Day 1 (up until the end) were town (Snow) v town (Rogue). Bladescape's case against Rogue and the votes that followed don't seem likely to be the bad guys saving one another - just a different wagon that happened.
Going to start analyzing the final wagons from the point of Snow, RA, and myself creating the Apogee wagon.
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Moves off of RA. Snow 4, Apogee 3, RA 2
Snow 4, Apogee 2, RA 3
Changes vote from Snowblaze to Apogee. If someone can explain how this is a Wolf move, good for you. Snow 3, Apogee 3, RA 3
Snow 3, Apogee 4, RA 2
Hmm. Theoretically could be bussing? Xi's vote was at No Lynch but at 3 to 4, Snow isn't out of the running to be lynched yet. Snow 3, Apogee 5, RA 2
Snow 3, Apogee 6, RA 2
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I don't think Apogee was bussed. We have one confirmed Town (RA), one confirmed Medium (gac). Snow is basically confirmed town for me (see above). Murska and Xi both vote at a time when Snow is still a viable lynch. Of the two, Xi's vote is later and is slightly more likely to be bussing but I doubt it. And me.
Blade - if anything, minor town points for starting the wagon on RA. It generated discussion and from where I'm standing wasn't a ploy to save an ally. Wolves didn't need to stir things up then unless Snow is a Wolf.
Aventine - Will have to read again, but the discussion between Ave and blade doesn't make me think one of them is necessarily a Wolf. So Neutral?
As for the others, I don't have strong opinions one way or another. I think Emmy is a good wagon but we already have a couple votes there. I'll throw a vote onBook Wombatto start another wagon. Once I have more time I can take a look back and decide.
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EmmyNecromancer (2): gac3, Batcathat
Book Wombat (1): CaoimhinTheCape
No vote: Snowblaze
No Posts: Aventine, Book Wombat, bladescape, EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Supagoof, XihirliLast edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2021-08-15 at 10:02 AM. Reason: formatting around vote
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2021-08-13, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also I agree with gac3 that there's probably a town QT role. I think the best use of it is to confirm themselves so if that role exists they could claim/post in the QT they created. Though I'm not the best at mechanics so if anyone disagrees then I'm not going to insist on it.
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Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-13, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not sure. I'll reread it tomorrow when I'm back home and should have more time. People seemed to jump to Apogee pretty quickly, so maybe?
I'm leaning slightly towards town on bladescape and no idea about Aventine.
I'd say Emmy as a wolf for the reasons I stated earlier and BW for town, though that's mostly gut feeling.
While I do think gac is probably the medium, is it actually confirmed?
I suppose he could confirm it in a QT, since it seems unlikely that the wolves would have another QT-creating power.
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2021-08-13, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Vote on EmmyNecromancer on general suspicion.
Hey, some people think I'm towny for some reason. That's nice.Last edited by Book Wombat; 2021-08-13 at 03:30 PM.
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2021-08-13, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-08-13, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll help set up a possible second pressure wagon on
Book Wombat.
My interaction with blade yesterday felt exactly like my interactions with him in Craziest. Snow, you said he feels different to you than he did in Craziest. Sell me on that.
On that topic:
So rogue looks wolfy because he looks like he is trying to push a mislynch while at the same time trying to make it look like he wasn't pushing it (because he wants to avoid being blamed for it later).
And so now it doesn't make sense for a wolf to be worried about having pushed a mislynch. Despite that being the exact opposite of his earlier argument.
Why is blade playing dumb here and pretending to either not understand my argument, or find it nonsensical, when he made the same argument earlier?
Why is trying to push a mislynch while being worried about being blamed for it later "wolfy agenda" when it is someone else possibly doing it, but totally non-wolfy when it is blade possibly doing it?
Why does a townie make that pivot? And put that much effort into trying to dodge my argument and discredit it by making it look like I am arguing something different than I am?
Also, I swear there is a possible scum slip in one of Snow's posts. But it feels too ridiculous to actually have happened. I want to see if anyone else sees what I'm seeing before I even begin to make up my mind about what to think about it.Last edited by Aventine; 2021-08-15 at 07:04 AM.
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2021-08-13, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Emmy wagon is all well and good, but I'll follow up my FoS on Aventine for the Snowblaze pushing with no clear reasons.
EDIT: Follow it up with a vote.Aventine.Last edited by Xihirli; 2021-08-14 at 06:51 AM.
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2021-08-13, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh?
I voted snow to get a wagon going because I value getting pressure wagons going quickly on D1.
That's...what I always do.
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2021-08-13, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Update on my win con: Doing the math, I think I am on track to win by the end of night 3.
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2021-08-13, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-08-13, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, if you want to keep killing the quiet that has so far been a winning strategy.
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2021-08-14, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Same. That post is kinda meeh.
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I don't think he was bussed. It kinda came out of no-where. Usually bussing is more "premeditated" than that.
I think Bladescape is the worst scum ever, should be voted asap.
Aventine I thnk is still rand!wolf but I'm more on balance on that now.
Wolf: Emmy
Town: Book Wombat
Others are kinda neutral.
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Eh. The game was dead and you were on the block.
R_A both saved you and ended up being flipped into a wolf wagon.
Also the wagon ON R_A was what made him obvious town.
So I have no regrets that I lead a wagon on town!R_A.
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Because my point was about someone who was intentionally dusting blame off themselves before the flip.
Which is an entirely different situation to my push.
"(others are free to draw their own conclusions)" - Rogue's push was pre-checked with the implication that others conclusions were their responsibility.
I was actively saying "If this is wrong scrutinise me."
I'm not saying you should townread me for that, but to equate the two is kinda disingenuous.
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I prefer there are other reasons you don't vote me.
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Please explain the D1 Medium statement."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-08-14, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Supagoof. More wagons on quiet people, more information!
Could someone who put Book Wombat as town please explain why? I don’t really get those reads.
bladescape, I was only joking about blaming you for the rogue wagon, because I said I would if you were wrong. Also Emmy doesn’t have a “the” in her name.
Aventine... it’s hard to put into words. Mostly a gut read. My townread on bladescape is a little less confident than yesterday, but that’s more because I now have stronger townreads than because of anything he’s done.
In Craziest he felt... there’s a sort of playful cockiness that isn’t really here in the same way this game. And also the really sarcastic responses to your points against him there, which I’m pretty sure I remember him doing against AV in Percy Jackson.
...this is nowhere near locktown, my confidence is pretty low. I’m just hoping once we have a few more flips I can get a better idea about him.
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Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-14, 02:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Book Wombat being one of the first to point out Emmy's statement of "Like me" with the "Ghosts" part is kinda good look.
But like your read on me, it's anything but strong."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-08-14, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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The grand total of our flipped wolf’s posts.
I kind of thought earlier on day one that first post might indicate that Caoimhin was Apogee’s partner - Apogee would have TMI my read was wrong - but Caoimhin is my strongest townread at this point so not going to put any weight into that.
*shrug* the Aventine townread probably doesn’t mean much.
That’s the problem with killing low posters - even if they flip wolf they don’t give you much to go on!
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Book Wombat 2 (CaoimhinTheCape, Aventine)
Supagoof 2 (Murska, Snowblaze)
Aventine 1 (Xihirli)
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Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-14, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aventine, can I get your thoughts on Emmy please?
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Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-14, 04:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay. I wasn't given permission per se. But the one that didn't give me permission also posted twice without saying "I'd rather you not say" so I'm taking that as permission.
I made a QT with Cape and Blade.
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2021-08-14, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't have much time right now but I can verify that gac3 has been talking to us. That's why I was confident he's medium at this point.
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2021-08-14, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I'm okay stabbing Supagoof. One more knife in the knife holster that is his spine.
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2021-08-14, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Emmy looks like Emmy. That feels like a null read, and I'm not seeing any reason to have any other sort of read here. Pressure is good. Thinking she is a wolf based on her two posts isn't. We need something more than "she made a kinda weird post" or "she usually claims early, but didn't this game, and I don't like how she claimed in her second post."
For me the biggest thing is the amount of time spent intentionally missing my point and arguing in circles, always trying to distract attention away from my actual point. It's good strategy for a wolf, but it's not really a townie state of mind to be in. Especially for someone who is insisting that they are welcoming scrutiny upon themselves.
Go back and look at this again:
Then go back and look at his ISO of rogue. One of his arguments is that rogue looks like he is trying to avoid blame for having pushed a mislynch. When I suggest that blade looks like he is worried about being blamed for pushing a mislynch, he completely avoids that line of reasoning, plays dumb, and questions why a wolf would be worried about having pushed a mislynch when that's what wolves want/need to do. I'm making the same underlying argument he made a little earlier, and he's pretending not to understand it and trying to make it look like a nonsensical argument by misrepresenting it. Give me one reason a townie would ever do that. I can buy a newbie not understanding the logic behind the argument, or something along those lines. But he's not a newbie. And he clearly understands the logic behind the argument, having used it himself.
It's the same pattern of intentionally misunderstanding my post to try to dodge the argument against him that he did repeatedly in Craziest.(Here he ignores my point that it looks like there is a disconnect between what he is saying and what he is doing, and shifts the argument to about whether multiple pressure wagons is a good thing. Here I imply that he wasn't actually pressure voting, and was just using that as an excuse to switch his vote for some other reason, and he responds by...explaining how pressure votes work. Cool. Here I again accuse him of not actually trying to pressure, but only of using that as an excuse and he insists that it is fine to try to start a new wagon. Except that he had put zero effort whatsoever into convincing other people to join the wagon. A random vote off the leading wagons without any attempt to persuade others to join you isn't a pressure vote. He goes from trying to dodge the criticism by insisting he was pressure voting to dropping the claim that he was pressure voting and acting like I'm wrong to criticize him for making a throw-away vote off the wagons that won't impact anything.)
Spoiler"IF THE WAGON IS A MISLYNCH BLAME ME, I CAN TAKE IT! (loljk, I might be wrong though)"
He's being more subtle than he accused rogue of being, but he is introducing the idea that he might be a tunneling townie. But I'll admit it could also be genuine. Snow prompts that he'd be blamed, he accepts that. But even as a wolf, he'd have to, trying to dodge blame would be too obvious. Then he comes up with an excuse to not be blamed anyway. And in later posts he makes way too big a deal out of how he accepted blame.
It doesn't look like a townie train of thought. A townie responds to Snow there with a shrug and a "yeah, if I'm wrong then my bad, but it's a D1 read, realistically there is a very good chance it's wrong." Not with "ok, I'll take the blame. Except not. See! See! Everyone look! I'm totally accepting blame! I totally can't be a wolf, huh?!"
This is terrible. The assumption that gac means he'll go after blade if rogue is mislynched is bad. It suggests that what is particularly salient on blade's mind is being blamed for rogue being mislynched. I get that Snow just said that. But a townie isn't really worried and doesn't dwell on that. Like, if nothing else why go straight to assuming rogue will flip town? Why not think that gac thinks rogue is tied to someone, thus rogue flipping scum gives us leads on scumbuddies?
Then the rest is trying to avoid blame for a rogue mislynch. What is the difference between blade saying "don't just follow me, decide for yourself who you think is wolfy." And rogue saying the exact same thing? This reads like making an argument for why people shouldn't go after blade if/when rogue flips town. Despite how much blade is going on about being willing to take the blame, here he is saying that "town doesn't win" by following him. That if rogue is town, the mislynch is everyone else's fault for tunneling due to his read. He is preemptively trying to set up an argument to dodge heat from a rogue mislynch. This is what he called rogue wolfy for doing. And he's an even worse offender than rogue was.
I mean, I'll totally admit that this by itself isn't 100%. For one thing rogue was town. But how blade handled things later on makes it worse. It's all dodging. He puts so much effort into insisting that he welcomed pressure. He knows that what he did here is wolfy and needs to shift attention away.
On the whole, this post is written from a state of mind of knowing that the rogue lynch is bad. There is PIS/TMI/whatever acronym we're using now on assuming rogue will flip town instead of scum. Then preemptively making a case for why the mislynch isn't his fault. The dodging and Craziest-esque behavior that follows makes it so much worse.
I'm suspicious of you, but loljk no I'm not because you're a neutral. Empty pseudo-analysis.
Then insisting he should get pressure if rogue flips town. Honestly, it's overcompensating; it doesn't ring genuine. It doesn't feel like a natural development from the previous post trying to avoid blame. It feels more like someone who realized they were a bit too obvious earlier and so now need to go the opposite way. It's also not really a townie state of mind. D1 reads are wrong all the time. If someone were able to be right more often then not D1 they'd be a mafia god. Having been wrong D1 doesn't make someone wolfy. Having been the one to propose/push a mislynch D1 doesn't make someone wolfy. It's pretty NAI. Maybe even town-leaning (depending on context and other details surrounding it) since wolves might be more of a mind to sit back and not take risks if they don't need to. If a townie is wrong D1, then ok sure: the sun also rises in the east and sets in the west. A wolf is spending a lot more time thinking about the consequences to themselves from pushing a bad wagon D1 than a townie is. And blade is spending a fair amount of time thinking about that. He is clever enough to start trying to push the idea that he isn't trying to dodge blame. But that doesn't erase the fact that he did try to dodge blame. If anything it makes that fact worse.
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2021-08-14, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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...right. Thanks for putting that together, Aventine. I’m going to need a while to properly digest that and reread yesterday with it in mind.
I would like to state I’m probably not going to want to kill bladescape today, regardless. I think it’s better that we focus more on the quiet players.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-14, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not going to talk about my Craziest play as that was entirely based around trying to discredit Aventine's reads that game. That analysis is fine.
The difference in the arguments for this game is that every post that they're bringing up they admit themselves isn't wolfy in and of itself. (This is fine on its own/This by itself isn't 100%) I don't know why you particularly have me on the mind but eh.
Also I re-iterate the "Scrutinise me" because I have been in the habit of creating wagons as both sides. I want town to never let anyone making wagons walk away without scrutiny as for why.
Also also I still categorically disagree with this idea that my statements can be equated with what I pointed out about R_A."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-08-14, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just going to go through Aventine's various bladescape cases and take them point by point.
Spoiler: bladescape and Aventine's case analysis
On not liking bladescape's "I would have loved to be a wolf"... there are people who would enjoy playing wolf three times in a row. bladescape picking scum in Crazy Idea having just been a wolf would indicate he could be one of those people. But the context it was made in feels a little... incongruous? The post he was quoting was only vaguely referencing his being a wolf, and not in the way I'd expect to prompt that sort of response.
On "being worried while trying to look like they're not worried"... yeah, I definitely disagree on that one. I read those posts as self-doubt which isn't necessarily wolfy. Sure, wolf!blade could be worried that he's going to look bad on a town!rogue flip but that's the risk you take when you hard push town as a wolf.
96 - yes, it is a wolfy state of mind but it's also... I feel like you're the one who's missing bladescape's point rather than the other way round.
bladescape: "Why would a wolf be worried about pushing a mislynch?"
Aventine: "being worried about looking like you're pushing a mislynch is wolfy"
Because yes, those things are wolfy, but the way I'm seeing things they're... not what bladescape is doing.
I can... kind of see your point about bladescape avoiding your point about looking like he's trying to avoid blame. He only really addresses it indirectly.
I don't really agree that the arguments are the same, because again you haven't really proved that bladescape is worried about pushing a mislynch, you just quoted a few of his posts and said they showed that. I don't think he's really misrepresenting your argument.
I don't see that "rogue could be a neutral" is an excuse to avoid the blame. It could be, but there's also no reason why it couldn't be a genuine thought. Especially since I also had that thought.
The assumption of "gac3 will go after bladescape if rogue flips town" isn't completely unjustified imo, I could see how town would have that thought.
(I have far too many tabs open trying to cross-reference stuff here!)
...meh, rogue and bladescape are saying the same things but... I feel like there's a difference in contexts? (Although bladescape was wrong on saying it was wolfy from rogue!)
The "I would suspect you if you weren't a neutral" isn't wolfy imo, I used it myself in Craziest Idea ("But you were a Serial Killer in Craziest Idea!" Yeah, I know, but most of what I was doing the first two days was still genuine solving.)
The overcompensating thing is *shrug* I can kind of see it but it's not really something I put a lot of weight on.
tl;dr there are some good points in there, but there are also things I strongly disagree with. Could bladescape be a wolf? Sure. Does this case make him a wolf? I don't think so.
Note one: I definitely don't think you're a wolf for this case. There's part of me that's saying "wolves need to mislynch bladescape if he's town" but another part is saying "this makes a lot of sense coming from town!Aventine". Plus the fact you were pushing him from yesterday when the gamestate was very different, and you couldn't have been trying to defend your partner rogue because he's flipped town.
Note two: I don't really want to get into a long debate about this, it'll let the Quiet Ones get away with flying under the radar. I'm fine to agree to differ and hopefully things will resolve themselves/we'll get more information before we have to make a final decision on whether he needs to die.
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Werewolf games won: 28
Werewolf games lost: 19
Games as town: 29.5
Games as neutral: 6.5
Games as wolf: 11
Games narrated: 2
Deaths: 31
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2021-08-14, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Btw, yes Aventine is town.
As irritating as the "You were saying this" argument is when I don't agree it was what I was saying, the case and process that Aventine has put in is not one I'd expect from a wolf.
Emmy being kinda NAI is a fine take from Aventine, but I think the wording itself is worth pushing for pressure. I don't know if I want to flip Emmy at this point, but pressure and posts from them is more likely for us to find them town if they are town, if that makes sense?
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As for partners, assuming 2 living wolves I'd say something along the lines of Supa."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-08-14, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, these are the posts from Day 1, there's nothing really jumping out at me as particularly townie or wolfy. Maybe points against batcathat for voting a confirmed townie in RA but ehh.
This post comes across as reasonable to me - we're all focusing on the same few players right now and this is giving what little explanation someone can for the vote.
Kinda like the comment about not knowing gac is medium for sure? Wolves have extra knowledge and would know gac isn't one of them.
Curious about your answers to Snow's questions.
In response to Ave/blade I can see Ave's argument a bit more but I've landed with Snow in thinking that it's not enough to warrant a case or vote on blade.
Happy with my vote where it is I guess, mostly wanna see what Emmy and Supa have to say.
Vote Count:
EmmyNecromancer (4): gac3, Batcathat, Book Wombat, bladescape
Book Wombat (2): CaoimhinTheCape, Aventine
Supagoof (3): Murska, Snowblaze, Xihirli
Not posted: EmmyNecromancer, Supagoof
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2021-08-14, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2013
Re: Afterlife
Not every post I bring up. Some of them. Early on. The flow here is you said some stuff that was suspicious but not 100% guaranteed to make you a wolf. So I poked at it, and your reaction convinced me you were a wolf. Why are you incorrectly claiming that I said that about "every post"?
And you can "categorically disagree" with anything you want, but that doesn't make me wrong.
What is the difference between rogue saying that others are free to draw their own conclusions rather than following him, and you saying that people should vote for who they think has the most scum equity rather than following you?
"Categorically disagree" with whatever you want, but first please explain what the difference here that I'm not seeing is.
Snow's analysis is weird, I'm gonna just hit a few points...
How exactly?
In the post I quoted he said that wolves want to cause mislynches. Yeah, I never, at any point in the game, suggested otherwise. I’m not missing his point, I’m saying his point isn’t relevant to my accusations. And I’m going further and saying that I think he is bringing up an irrelevant point intentionally as a distraction.
Originally Posted by Snow
Originally Posted by Snow
And I'll probably drop it here. There isn't much more to be said; things are already really going in circles. Barring someone new coming in with a radically different perspective everything looks like it's on the table. But I am convinced blade is a wolf, and will continue to try to kill him.