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2022-03-31, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1255 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-03-31, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1255 - The Discussion Thread
Which is seemingly a racial slur (panel 3).
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2022-03-31, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I figured that Serini has been spying on them long enough (I think she admitted to that on an earlier page) that she knows Roy is supposed to be LG.
Also, there'd still be Durkon.
Yeah, I'm basically hoping that Serini is not quite as paranoid as Girard is, and I think the odds for that are pretty good because Girard was really far over the edge.
True, it's not like her believing them guarantees that she'll agree with them on the best course of action. Although I think that she'll have a harder time convincing herself that letting the world get destroyed is an acceptable sacrifice.
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2022-03-31, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1255 - The Discussion Thread
Dwarves are not angels, they can be non-good just as easily as anyone else.
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2022-03-31, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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It isn't paranoia if they are really out to get you - Soon told a whole load of people about the gates, the knock on affect was that one of the people who found out destroyed Soon's gate, another group of people who found out destroyed Girard's gate and the IFCC found out who are moving forward with a plan that seems to involve destroying the world.
Girard was wrong about why Soon couldn't be trusted but he was right that Soon couldn't be trusted.
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2022-03-31, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1255 - The Discussion Thread
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2022-03-31, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes but those people didn't blab about it to the forces of the lower planes, didn't destroy any gates, and didn't break the oaths of non-interference - and while it isn't really relevant also didn't murder a whole load of innocent goblins (all as far as we know).
Girard's trust was warranted as for as we know - Soon's was a lot less so.
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I wouldn't put it past the IFCC to have known that the dragon targeting Vaarsuvius's family was connected to the Draketooths and to have known that Haerta had a spell that might be helpful.Last edited by dancrilis; 2022-03-31 at 10:14 AM.
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2022-03-31, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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A.) The same IFCC that was shown, in privacy, to be quite surprised at familicide being used?
2.) so it's still Soon's fault it a third party uses a different third party who contracts yet another third party? With that much stretching you could pull it all the way back around to Girard being at fault if you wanted.
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2022-03-31, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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They seem to play the odds, they might have thought the odds were low - but they then explained that they did think it likely that horrible things would be done.
2.) so it's still Soon's fault it a third party uses a different third party who contracts yet another third party? With that much stretching you could pull it all the way back around to Girard being at fault if you wanted.
*exceptions apply.
Soon trusted the wrong people.Last edited by dancrilis; 2022-03-31 at 10:31 AM.
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2022-03-31, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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1.) They seemed surprised it happened at all. Not surprised that a low odds bet succeeded.
2.) 99% of "everyone" is the paladins, who were told independently of Shojo until Shojo came to power. The only other ones were the Order, and Nale disguised as the Order, which the Order did not catch.
You can claim its not a massive reach all you want, but that doesn't make it true.
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2022-03-31, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Being in Hel is better than their souls being destroyed. It's similar to how she prefers Xykon-controlled world to destruction.
I also found it weird. There is nothing supports that Xykon or Redcloak's victory mean anything like "we must destroy the world for sure" for the gods.
He was talking about the snarl freeing themself.
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2022-03-31, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, it's kinda suspicious that these supposed paladins of good were responsible to and ruled by a hereditay ruler who might be neither lawful nor good. Not to mention most those paladins were Azurite aristocrats until Shojo's reforms.
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2022-03-31, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Venus's clouds consist mostly of droplets of sulfuric acid, not water. I found a recent paper about whether the water in those clouds could support life. "Here we compute the water activity within the clouds of Venus and other Solar System planets from observations of temperature and water-vapour abundance. We find water-activity values of sulfuric acid droplets, which constitute the bulk of Venus’s clouds, of ≤0.004, two orders of magnitude below the 0.585 limit for known extremophiles."
Trying to get water out of sulfuric acid is hard. The attraction between them is very strong. The classic rule about "never add water to acid, always mix them by adding the acid to the water" comes mostly out of what happens with sulfuric acid, though some other acids are also problematic. Mixing concentrated sulfuric acid with water releases a lot of heat. If water is added to concentrated sulfuric aid, the heat can cause the water globules inside the acid to boil, spraying droplets of hot acid all over the place. If concentrated sulfuric acid is added to water, the heat is more easily absorbed by the bulk of the water. There isn't localized boiling because the boiling point of sulfuric acid is much higher than that of water.
For an organism to condense water vapour in an environment above the local boiling point, it would have to either:
1. extract heat and release it to the environment, to keep itself cool enough for liquid water, or
2. maintain an internal pressure high enough to keep the water liquid.
The former is a problem because heat would be continuously flowing in from outside. It's hard to keep things cool in that kind of situation; it takes a lot of energy. On Earth, small organisms have no way of doing it. Large organisms can keep themselves somewhat cooler than their environment, under some conditions... generally, by letting water evaporate from them. That is, the exact opposite of what you want.
The latter is a problem because it takes a lot of pressure to make much of a difference. Maintaining the integrity of an organism, with a high pressure differential from the environment, would require a very strong outer shell with no leaks or weak points. I can't see how that would work.
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2022-03-31, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-03-31, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wow I am more than a day late, so I'll just say I'm really happy to see Durkon getting practice convincing antagonists to switch sides.
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2022-03-31, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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As eternal torture goes Hel doesn't seem that inventive.
Panel 1: carry a big stone.
Panel 2: clean a chair., also see panel 6 where they get to just walk away.
It seems if you don't personally get on Hel's bad side it is merely unpleasant and boring, if you do get on her bad side it is unpleasant and boring and you have a disease (panel 3 and 4).
As eternal torments go I can imagine worse.
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2022-03-31, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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To clarify: is there hope of release to a more positive existence? If the only options are
(1) immediate annihilation of my personality,
(2) an extremely long period of torture, with no release other than eventual destruction of my personality
I'd look more seriously at the first option.
If the torture is more like a [EDIT: precautionary removal of explicit real-world religion stuff. A "burning out of sins, leaving a purified soul"] thing, a period of suffering followed by release into one of the positive outer planes, it would be easier to bear the torture.Last edited by bunsen_h; 2022-03-31 at 12:16 PM.
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2022-03-31, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2022-03-31, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Real paranoia isn't about whether or not the fears are objectively real (not least because they can become a self-fulfilling prophecy- like, say, when you are literally threatening to destroy the world if you don't get what you want and others are out to get you for it). Redcloak is a pretty textbook example of Paranoid Personality Disorder (and probably some narcissistic and maybe sociopathic tendencies), mixed with having way too much power and ability to act on his beliefs.
A crude description of PPD according to the ICD-10, for example- bolded for symptoms he arguably demonstrates:
PPD is characterized by at least three of the following symptoms:
1) excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2) tendency to bear grudges persistently (i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights);
3) suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4) a combative and tenacious sense of self-righteousness out of keeping with the actual situation;
5) recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6) tendency to experience excessive self-aggrandizing, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7) preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.
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2022-03-31, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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If my understanding of OOTS/D&D cosmology is correct, eventually Hel consumes your entire soul and you dissipate into her.
You assume that the dwarf souls that attend to Hel personnally are average, when I find it more likely that they are the lucky ones.
Also, they don't get to just walk away in panel 6, she's given them some sort of pox in panel 4.
Also also, an existence of nothing but unpleasantness, even if just mild unpleasantness, is worse than oblivion in my opinion, since oblivion is the most neutral experience conceivable.
Considering that, so far, four out of the five attempts he gets to complete his life work have failed, I'd say he's taking it very well.
2) tendency to bear grudges persistently (i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights);
3) suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4) a combative and tenacious sense of self-righteousness out of keeping with the actual situation;
6) tendency to experience excessive self-aggrandizing, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;betterless bad, even if he doesn't realize it.
7) preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2022-03-31 at 02:03 PM.
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2022-03-31, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Killing his own brother to prevent another setback does not count as taking it "very well".
I don't really think that applies, unless you count his anti-hobgoblin racism.
I don't think that applies either. Remember, he didn't come up with the "the gods deliberately screwed us over" narrative, he is, quite literally, taking it on faith from someone he considers a reliable source.
Oh, yes. 100%
I don't know, on the one hand his behaviour is pretty self-effacing, on the other hand, everyhting he does is about making himself feelbetterless bad, even if he doesn't realize it.
As with 3, I don't think that applies.Last edited by masamune1; 2022-03-31 at 02:21 PM.
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2022-03-31, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Even if any of us have the psychiatric chops to accurately diagnose the mental disorders of a fictional stick figure character in a fantasy comic, attempting to do so could be insensitive to anyone who might actually suffer from those symptoms in real life, yeah?
Discussing my views on this in depth can quickly lead us down a prohibited path of philosophy/religion so I'm going to just second Peelee and Fyraltari.
In OotS/D&D, the "release" in this case is essentially identical to oblivion so I would actually say yes and no. Yes if you get raised before you're fully "absorbed" and merge with the plane, No if you don't. At least, if keeping the same identity you had as a mortal is important to you.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-03-31, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but one thing does not make a pattern.
Edit: At the end of the day, I don't think The Giant intended for Redcloak to suffer from paranoia and his behaviour can easily be explained without using that diagnosis, so I choose not to read him that way. Your interpretation is no less valid than mine, but like Psyren says, maybe it's best not to try to psycho-analyse fictional characters.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2022-03-31 at 04:23 PM.