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2019-11-16, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
That just sounds wrong.
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2019-11-17, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
What? Agatha's Weasley is very important to her. Did it ever actually get a name or is it still just "the weasel"? Or I guess "that wasp-eater" if someone knows what they're talking about.
In other news, is Albia actually the first ruler Agatha's personally met that she hasn't deposed shortly afterwards? I think she might be.
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2019-11-17, 02:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-17, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
How long has Agatha actually BEEN in england? A day? Two? She tends to move quickly even though it takes us months to get through each arc. So far it seems like dr beetle is the ruler who lasted the longest in her presence as she basically grew up there. Of course, he proceeded to last less than a few hours after her spark was unlocked by theft of her necklace. Maybe her spark has a special ability to cause the overthrow of the established order? The baron didnt last that long and he barely even interacted with her for more than a few minutes, though he didnt get removed from power for a reasonable length of time afterwards. Probably a resistance due to living among heterodynes for so long.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-11-17, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-17, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Thats my point, agatha doesnt do anything directly, yet every ruler she meets gets overthrown/killed/replaced in some manner. And the baron is no longer the baron, he stepped down before locking himself in time. dr beetle, tarveks dad, the baron, the master, martellus took over his family after showing back up in their fortress. The only ruler I can think of who stayed in power is the mole man ruler under paris, and even his opponent got replaced! You cant deny that something crazy is going on when agatha literally cant pass through someones kingdom without them no longer being in charge shortly afterwards even though she rarely ever does anything directly herself.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-11-17, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-17, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
We can't deny coincidence, but that doesn't mean causation, and we are only seeing the world as it releates to Agatha.
Beetle was already on the way down, because he was holding a Hive engine against the direct orders of the Baron. It is true that he was also sheltering Agatha, but the two facts don't seem to be related (there may have been evidence in his notes, but Doctor Merlot burned them).
Stumhalten's fall is largely down on Anevka and Tarvek. Anevka assasinated her father, and the cover-up attempt raised a big red flag to the Baron.
The Baron takes himself out of the picture because he had been wasped by Agatha/Lucrezia and is being influenced by Anevka/Lucreczia. Again, Agatha has been around for a long time before the Baran went down, and Agatha/Lucrezia is down to the Geisters (Tarvek's father narrowly missing responsibility due to being dead).
In the background Zola, as the Queen of the Dawn has slowly been taking over large sections of Europa. Agatha is not involved in any of those kingdoms falling.
The Master of Paris was brought down by the Other or by Zola (it isn't stated which, but the smart money is on Zola). The rebellion in Paris was organised by the Geisters, and had clearly been setting up for a long time. Far from being a cause, it is Agatha's presence that disrupts it.
Related to the rebellion - The leader of the Library was assasinated by Tarvek's family; Laurana's dad was already in with the rebellion in Paris, and was taken out by Laurana. True, Agatha was there, but Laurana's motivation was saving Jim Hoffman, and I think she would have acted the same way, Agatha or no.
Martellus was already in charge of the family before the time slip. When he goes through the time-slip he has to get it back again (which he seems to do very quickly).
Edit: And I forgot about the Corbetitites. Thanks, Geoduck.Last edited by Manga Shoggoth; 2019-11-17 at 02:39 PM.
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2019-11-17, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-17, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2019-11-17, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Not a fan of Las Lindas, I take it?
The thing about Agatha being smarter and sparkier than all the sparks around her is that it's hard to tell sometimes when she's manipulating events around her and when she's oblivious to evens around her because she's busy doing something else. She's shown the ability a couple of times to push minor sparks around like minions and quite a few times someone's looked up after working with her (or with Agatha-Lu) and asked, "What did I just do?"Last edited by diremage; 2019-11-17 at 04:43 PM.
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2019-11-17, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Thats a common trait among sparks. The more powerful they are, the more minions they draw in, including weaker sparks. Mechanicsburg is literally a city of minions bred by generations of working for the heterodynes. As for halfeye, yes, things happen in stories, but when those things follow a pattern, its worth mentioning. The story could have been just as eventful and exciting without every pre-established ruler she exists around losing their rulership in varying ways (usually death) and the fact that aside from her presence bringing things to a head its pretty much never her fault, as in, something she was trying to do, or even directly involved with, makes the pattern even more intriguing. Take the master for example. He could have easily lived, and his death doesnt even seem to be directly connected to agatha or even her storyline. We never did find out who beaosiel or whatever his name was, was working for. It might be the other, but as we have seen here with steel garter, not every plot revolves around agatha and her slow boil war with her mother.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-11-17, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-17, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
And yet it is, at least for the first part before I completely lost the story thread amongst space opera and starships, a milk maid going about her daily life of doing farm chores and keeping her farm business running...through any means necessary.
I was actually thinking about Voltaire's death, though. Agatha races through the streets of Paris, frantically assembling a huge death ray as she searches for pants, and then when she gets to the party what does she do? She hangs decoratively off the arm of Martellus and together they watch the Storm King beat the stuffing out of Voltaire.
She actually does -less- in that fight than Martellus does, and all he does is throw a bunch of mooks at the Storm King, kill off his own mooks and then hand the Storm King that fancy sword.
She just sits and watches, as I recall, until Voltaire is actually dying and Martellus is getting ready to deliver a coup d'etat and then steals the kill off Martellus.
I mean, sure, it wasn't her intention to unleash the Storm King in the first place, but in my mind she definitely took the opportunity that was presented to her to sit on her hands and let him get toppled when she could easily have stopped it. And she also wasn't shy about letting her castle try to hack the city's subnet at every opportunity.
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2019-11-17, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Agatha is like a rat that does not kill the population; she's only a carrier of what will.
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2019-11-17, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Pretty much. I mean, her batting average for being in the neighborhood of regime change is close to 1.000. Albia is still pending and we don't know what happened to the Moligarchy (although they were teamed up with King Chroma at the end of the Catacombs arc, so something changed).
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2019-11-18, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-18, 04:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-18, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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She blasted the storm king at least once for huge damage, and had her minions give him a bit of a beat down, and since she never made him stronger like martellus did, I think that puts her one up on usefulness in the battle. Her minions at least did some damage that fight, martellus just got his instagibbed and turned into zombies.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-11-18, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-18, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I get the feeling Tweedle is subtly reminding her that they still have that whole Touch of the King/Queen problem going on.
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2019-11-18, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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* my emphasis
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2019-11-18, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Not sure about that, he touched her when her mother was in control... and her mother lost flame queen power. Possible Tweedle infected her with an upgraded touch (that is harder to replace with a weasel), and he would be creepy enough to perhaps even have switched it to needing a kiss rather than just a touch which then forces a "bliss" emotional response in the target. (Like a drug addict going through horrible withdrawal symptoms then suddenly given more drugs)
He said he was rushed the first time and it wasn't his best work, he has had lots of time to prepare better work.Last edited by multilis; 2019-11-18 at 11:56 AM.
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2019-11-18, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I just love the drawing in panel 8 of Agatha struggling mightily with herself not to punch Martellus in the face, while at the same time Martellus looks to have resolved himself to being punched in the face. That's some top notch expressive drawing there.
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2019-11-18, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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* my emphasis
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2019-11-18, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-18, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I have a hunch she already owns every record for restraint Mechanicsburg has. Possibly including those set in Mam'zelle Fifi's House of Pain.
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2019-11-18, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Martellus getting ready for a punch in the second-to-last panel is a nice touch.
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2019-11-18, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I think that might've been more of a "I'll kill you last" hmm than a "I'd better show some restraint to this fellow who just helped save my life".
The weird thing, to me at least, is that his smile might be very smug but it doesn't look especially villainous. I definitely would have expected a lot more gloating if he -had- taken the opportunity to poison her. Maybe he's joining Team Heterodyne as one of the heroes?
I mean, imagine if he -didn't- poison her. That must've been some kiss to knock Lu out of god mode.
The one shot Agatha took was much more effective than all the stuff Martellus was trying, and her minions didn't get zombified like his did, but I think that might just highlight the difference in caliber of their abilities. The fact remains that he was at least trying to fight, and she was perfectly happy to sit back and watch until the storm king was already missing limbs.
Going back and looking through that again, I think it's an awesome little detail that Tybalt's armor is red in Paris, just like Martellus promised him in the Corbetite depot.Last edited by diremage; 2019-11-18 at 05:06 PM.