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2020-03-16, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
I can think of more things Eugene has done that have backfired on him more than not.
Yeah, this is a logistics conversation I'm glad they're having, even if it's mostly just processing information we already have.
"Good Alignment Gods" does not mean "on our side". Redcloak is gonna be a pain to negotiate with, but killing Xykon is a pretty good start-if you can pull it off when Redcloak is supporting.
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2020-03-16, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
I would argue the opposite. Roy is clearly recognizing that he does not understand the full picture. He is making a calculated decision that he must act in a way that is within his realm of competence towards an apparently achievable goal: save everyone person living on this world from a sudden death. Such is not in opposition to Thor's plan, as least not yet. In fact, Thor's plan is not really a plan, but more of a useful idea that could work and might prove very valuable in the long term.
Roy is not unwilling to talk to Redcloak and follow Thor's suggestion to Durkon, but he is recognizing that it is difficult to imagine such will succeed while Xykon is around.
Furthermore, the gods are provably not working towards a long term solution for the Snarl in any concerted way, as demonstrated by the vote and no apparent general interest in quidity arising in the pre-vote discussion. We can presume that a Thor and, at best, a small number of gods are very interested in the potential for TDO being part of a long term solution.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2020-03-16, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
When facing someone who is hard to kill, it is sure convenient to remove his easy means of getting healing (Harm) first. Roy is correct to be skeptical that Julia's idea can be implemented, while he knows it is a good idea.
Once Xykon is gone, Redcloak will be running out of options, with destroy the Gate himself or negotiate being the only obvious ones. So, it becomes a simpler tactical problem of convincing Redcloak to not destroy the Gate quite yet.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
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2020-03-16, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Yep.
A useful distinction, thanks.
It could be both.
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The discussion is pre-empting / delaying coverage of the scouting mission that Haley and V are on. (panel 15) I am hoping that the scene switches to them real soon.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2020-03-16 at 12:51 PM.
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2020-03-16, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
On the one hand, Roy objects to "a bunch of supposedly-benevolent deities opt[ing] to throw all of us under the cosmic bus when push [comes] to shove".
On the other hand, Roy says "My top priority is saving this world and these people".
It seems to me that the only real difference between the motivations of Roy and those "supposedly-benevolent deities" is which world (or worlds) and which people are of highest priority. In the case of a conflict of interest, both primarily look out for their own home, their own kind.
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2020-03-16, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
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2020-03-16, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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It seems to me that Roy speaks more informally to Julia ("I was just surprised you wanted to.") than he does to Vaarsuvius ("I wouldn't know to whom to turn you over."), or, at least, he is more willing to end sentences with prepositions when the person with whom he's talking is Julia.
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2020-03-16, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Not much different than situational dialects. I speak much differently to my cousin who's a professor of comparative mythology than to his brother who is close to functionally illiterate.
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2020-03-16, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
In panel 2, Roy is having something of an emotional outburst, which he immediately apologizes for. He is in a calmer state of mind in panel 5, thinking more carefully about his words.
Indeed, it is not a grammar rule that prepositions are not things with which one ought to end sentences. It is, however, seen by many as "more formal" to avoid doing so.
I think it is a deliberate bit of characterization.
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Or even more bluntly - "High level NPC's with a lot of flavor text", especially the older D&D editions. Makes sense for Eugene, he probably started adventuring under 1st Edition rules...
Side note - one of the reasons I really like the old game Runequest and its modern descendants like "King of Dragon Pass" is that it took what would be the fluff of other gaming systems' deities/religions and made it the crunch. Designer Greg Stafford (RIP) was all about incorporating the Mythic into his games.Some people think that Chaotic Neutral is the alignment of the insane, but the enlightened know that Chaotic Neutral is the only alignment without illusions of sanity.
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2020-03-16, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Hmm....
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2020-03-16, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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High school project. Honestly I'd expect people that don't even have working spells would be getting As.
TV tropes calls it "Nay-theism"Is that actually hard? It should be easy to find a digital version of any major modern book in the original language, but I guess it's not. I have an amazon.fr account because amazon.com wouldn't let me buy the french version of a french pop song.
wait, how many grammar mistakes did I make ?
But those are very small issues.If only I had payed ore attention in French class, I'd be able to translate that into English.Stress isn't so much caused by difficult or important situations, but also situations you're unprepared for. As far as Roy knows, he has one straightforward encounter coming up that he has been specifically preparing for for a long time.True: however, he was speaking with Vaarsuvius; that is something up with which Vaarsuvius will not put when one is directly to speak with them.
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2020-03-16, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
The difference is that, if Roy saves the world, then that ALSO saves the gods (for how long depends on how things shake out with Redcloak, but still), while the pro-demolition bloc would be specifically dooming the world to save their own. The pro-demolition gods are specifically trying to do something at the expense of others, while Roy's goal is a net positive for all involved. (Even if he blows things with Redcloak, more time before the Snarl is still a better result than less time.)
So they're not really equivalent, because Roy's plan doesn't throw the gods under the bus in return.
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2020-03-16, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Stress isn't so much caused by difficult or important situations, but also situations you're unprepared for. As far as Roy knows, he has one straightforward encounter coming up that he has been specifically preparing for for a long time.Forum Wisdom
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2020-03-16, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2020-03-16, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
This was some of the best writing I have seen in a while.
Roy, Julia and even Eugene come looking a lot better and more three-dimensional from this strip.
It helps that the moral is solid, too.
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2020-03-16, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
One thing I’ve just recently noticed, at this point everyone in the party but Elan has an important character as a hanger-on, Belkar got Mr. Scruffy and V got Blackwing first, but then Bandana has attached herself to Haley, Minrah to Durkon, and now Julia to Roy.
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2020-03-16, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
I do kinda hope that she gets released from The Bet at some point. She's an unrepentant jerk, she's cruel and petty, and her only comfort seems to be inflicting misery on those who can't fight back, but even she doesn't quite deserve the slow wasting away she's been condemned to.
Plus, I think it'd do wonders for her disposition to have some people around who actually want to be there.Last edited by Grey Watcher; 2020-03-16 at 03:00 PM.
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2020-03-16, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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oh, i also wanna thank the giant for the updates to the comic page! all the comics now have their original title in the tab instead of just the number! excellent update! :D
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I understand the need for building up (real world) suspense, given that the party is (right now) discovering that O-chul has been kidnapped. But it seems weird that Julia suddenly has some significance in this story. No idea what in-universe knowledge Roy would gain from this interaction that he didn't already have?
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2020-03-16, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-03-16, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Useless observation time.
Counting only this book, with comic 1190 as 0, the number of days between comics has followed the Fibonacci sequence if you subtract six from each (7, 7, 8, 9, 11). If this continues, comic 1196 comes out on March 30th.