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Thread: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Huh. This kind of backfired, didn't it? (Well, I was pretty screwed before, so I guess the net result in relation to my death is pretty much zero).
The funny thing is I'm not actually a wolf (though I'm sure they're loving me at the moment), I just tried to come up with a defense where I didn't have to admit I was netural and have people screw up my win-condition. But I realize my credibility right now is literally in the negatives so I won't push the issue. I'll just hang back, make some snarky comments until my death and then hope a Child of Hades gets lonely, I guess.
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2021-06-02, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Confirm. A neutral may come from the list of hypothetical neutrals I provided but do not have to.
No named roles were duplicated. This is explicitly why the child of Demeter role was doubled in the OP.
This was not already said. Wolves need the majority but the neutrals will be a special case. If counting them doesn't seem like it will change the results, then they won't be counted. If however they are fighting to extend the game to try to achieve their win or something, then they will likely be counted until the wolves/wolf sided neutrals outnumber the town/town sided neutrals. Does that make sense? At this point they won't explicitly count or not count. It's more a play it by ear kinda thing.
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2021-06-02, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I'm changing my vote, Batcathat seems to have a potentially useful ability.
Even though I am a necromancer, I am not a member of the Coven. In fact, my entire coven disbanded, so my alignment changed to Chaotic Good.
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2021-06-02, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
That would be a correct description of, and reaction, to the events, yes. I had some reasons, but it was admittedly a desperate, hail-mary type plan, since I was drowning in votes at the time.
Is it my amazing ability to make people vote for me?
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2021-06-02, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I've been pondering why Batcathat would fakeclaim.
But if wolf!Batcathat really thought he was going to get lynched, I can see him fakeclaiming in order to at least gain intel for the wolves. By fakeclaiming, he gets a counterclaim and the wolves now know who the real Child of Athena is.
Of course, other possibilities exist, but I can see this as a smart way to maximize a death.
Still think Libro did the right thing in counterclaiming. Just noting this to try to think of why Batcathat might make fakeclaim, when Batcathat presumably has a safe Role he could claim (since no Roles are definitely wolf or town.)
On the other hand, wolf!Libro fakeclaiming to get Batcathat killed seems very odd and little value. It's not like he reveals alignment.
Unless he's a Neutral who wants to kill the specific Role that Batcathat has... but that seems unlikely. Possible, but unlikely he's lucky enough the person he wants dead happened to claim D1.
EDIT: massively ninja'd. Will rethink laterLast edited by JeenLeen; 2021-06-02 at 12:49 PM.
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2021-06-02, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-02, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Actually, after a touch more thought, I'm inclined to think Batcathat really is a wolf and this is a last-ditch effort to let him live as a neutral.
Eh, I don't have much dog in this fight, I guess... I'd still like us to try to do a tie in hopes that we confirm EmmyNecromancer. I guess it's not as bad if Apollo's kid screws up the votecount now.
On that note, gac3: would we see the vote-counts with the modification, and thus know if a Child of Apollo voted because the total number of votes on someone would be 1 more than the number of voters?
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2021-06-02, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
The way I'm interpreting this (and the way I've seen people do it in the past) is that wolves win if it's guaranteed they'll be able to kill all townies. Normally if wolves outnumber town then they control both the lynch and the NK, so they win because town can't stop them. But if neutrals can prevent wolves from killing all the townies, then wolves don't win even if they outnumber town.
gac, does that sound right to you?
Yeah, I'm keeping my vote on you. Mind telling us your actual power/wincon, though? Mostly for my own curiosity, I'm having trouble imagining an answer that would cause me to move my vote.
Also, there's more than 24 hours left in the day, it's pretty early to panic and claim, especially with a fakeclaim, and especially given the amount of vote movement that's been happening...I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-06-02, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Xihirli, somebody stole your schtick and fakeclaimed devil.
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2021-06-02, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-02, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-02, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Some slim hope that I could talk myself out of it, I guess? But then people piled on with some pretty logical arguments (if there's an upside to this, it's that I'm learning so much for future games) that I couldn't really counter.
Sure, why not?
Child of Iris: Your mother is in charge of the main means of communication for the gods and their children.You have the ability to listen to the Iris network.
Each night you gain access to two random player-made QTs. They will not be informed of this unless you choose to inform them.
You are Neutral. You win when you can correctly identify each player as belonging to Town, Wolf or Neutral factions. You can only guess once and if you are incorrect you will automatically die the following night.
Yes, that's probably true. I was actually planning on waiting a little but... well, I kind of did panic and claim, I guess.
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2021-06-02, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
If you are a wolf and made that up, brilliant move. It's weird enough that it's hard to believe it's made-up. But also almost completely untestable. Or, well, I guess we could let you live and you post something in the two QTs to let us know you are who you say. If you're a lying wolf, your wolf-buddies have to out themselves to cover for your lies. If you're not a lying wolf... well, no harm in letting you live.
I reckon the best win strategy for you is to wait until the game is nearly over to guess. You can guess 100% accuracy the alignment of the dead players, and, near the end, it should be clear enough. Er, maybe.
Though I guess the lie could just be your win-con (and maybe your parent/sponsor), and you're a serial killer with a QT-infiltration power. But that seems odd.
I'd feel better if we knew if you or EmmyNecromancer were lying. Both of your win-cons (assuming we guessed hers correctly) don't really give any incentive for folk to kill you. There's no reason not to claim, since no risk involved. While it's possible Neutrals were made with no risk of claiming, it's... poor design, as, well, a Neutral needs some reason to not claim to just not become a third party (beyond the reason that being known as Neutral might make folk kill you in case you lie about your power/win-con.)
For me... well, Apogee knows the details of my Role and how it could potentially give incentive for somebody to kill me. That's also the reason I'm not publicly stating the details of my role.
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Also, EmmyNecromancer, want to share the exact text of your neutral "Child of X" text?
Because Batcathat's is rather different format than mine. It could be that I'm a Champion, not a Child... but it seems oddly different, especially the formatting around the Win Condition.
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2021-06-02, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Batcathatthis massively simplified the amount of thought I had to put into this game. Batcathat definitely deserves to be lynched today.Last edited by totadileplayz; 2021-06-02 at 05:57 PM.
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2021-06-02, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I finaly got home from work, trying to catch up to the things that happened.
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2021-06-02, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Much as I'd love to drink a Valmark's Throat Smoothie, it seems as though we've got at best a coin flip here. So either BatCatHat is a wolf or Libro is.
EDIT: Oh, I see BatCatHat has actually confessed to faking their claim. So that... Libro gets pretty big town points in my eyes for doing their town duties whether or not BatCatHat ends up being a wolf.Last edited by Xihirli; 2021-06-02 at 01:54 PM.
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2021-06-02, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I won't try to convince anyone, but when I die and flip neutral, you should probably at least consider the possibility of Libro being a wolfy Athena child and my stupid ass giving a great opportunity to build town cred with little or no risk.
Not saying it must be like that, but at least keep it in mind.
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Yeah, I can see that now. Lesson learned, at least.Last edited by Batcathat; 2021-06-02 at 02:01 PM.
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2021-06-02, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Batcathat’s re-claim is a lie. I’ve received an earlier neutral claim from a different child of Iris.
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2021-06-02, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
This also means we don’t test Emmy today, because it’s more important to get the guaranteed wolf role out with a high degree of confidence.
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2021-06-02, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-02, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
After all this, I am no longer backing
BatCatHat.
If we want to use this Day for something more, we can set up a tie between Emmy and BatCat. Emmy can hopefully prove her power (though I think we're still waiting on some info from her) and BatCat will get lynched anyway. Or Emmy is lying about her power and we get a wolf that way.
Vote Count:
Rogue_Alchemist (2): Flat_Footed, BookWombat
Valmark (1): Zelphas
Batcathat (9): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, Elenna, Rogue_Alchemist, Totadileplayz, Xihirli, CaoimhinTheCape
Totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
BookWombat (2): Libro,
Xirili (2): Rogan, Mornshine
CaoimhinTheCape (2): Snowblaze, Bladescape
EmmyNecromancer (2): Jeenleen, Shal06Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2021-06-02 at 05:18 PM.
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2021-06-02, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-02, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Ninja'd a lot, but I still think we can test Emmy if Apogee (the most trusted townie right now) organizes the vote.
Vote Count:
Rogue_Alchemist (2): Flat_Footed, BookWombat
Valmark (1): Zelphas
Batcathat (9): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, Elenna, Rogue_Alchemist, Totadileplayz, Xihirli, CaoimhinTheCape
Totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
BookWombat (1): Libro
Xirili (2): Rogan, Mornshine
CaoimhinTheCape (2): Snowblaze, Bladescape
EmmyNecromancer (1): Shal06
Libro (1): JeenleenLast edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2021-06-02 at 02:24 PM. Reason: typos
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2021-06-02, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Fun idea, but probably not feasible.
There's 21 players. 1 of which is probably the vote-manip Child of Apollo. Let's hope they claimed to Apogee.
10 of us vote Batcathat.
10 of us vote someone else. I would lean Libro, but I guess he's basically town-vetted since batcathat suggested he's lying... so... Valmark had some heat and Xi asked to be lynched, so maybe one of them? Or we vote on whoever the most inactive (flat_footed or BookWombat) voted, since they might not be able to change their vote. Oh, and those both voted for rogue_alchemist, so that's easy.
Child of Apollo votes a third party.
If all goes as planned:
-EmmyNecromancer fixes the tie to lynch Batcathat. She maybe exits the game. We presumably get a wolf.
-Child of Apollo gets verified as his Role. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing.
Even if Batcathat is a wolf and a scumbuddy wants to not play ball to save him, they really can't because doing so would get them lynched D2. If we agree to this, everyone has to play ball.
I loathe changing my vote so many times, butrogue_alchemistto try to make this feasible.
But I really doubt we'll get enough agreement to go this route. I understand folk want to get the wolf dead and not risk it to a possible-Neutral or (if she's lying) a coinflip.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2021-06-02 at 10:52 PM.
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2021-06-02, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
That is not at all what I'm suggesting.
11 of us vote BatCat
10 of us vote Emmy
Apogee makes sure that the person who claims being doublevoter is on Emmy.
If Emmy has the ability as her Neutral to decide ties, she will pick for BatCat to die.
Everyone knows that the doublevoter was on Emmy.
If Emmy is lying, then it goes to a coinflip between two claimed Neutrals including an Emmy who lied.
If the doublevoter lies and is voting Emmy anyway, same scenario as above. If doublevoter lies and is voting BatCat then BatCat dies.
I don't see how there's a downside?