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2022-09-14, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-14, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe someday Ichigo would be such a person, a therapist, an analyst or something close to it.
But Ichigo was still a teenager with PTSD and he was leaning into one way of seeing his name. He is "the one who protects (one/best guardian.)"
Ichigo has only one move for it is forged out of trauma. He was not way to take away other peoples traumas and layer it onto himself both literally in his psyche but also from a magical science perspective.
The twist does kind of make sense from a narrative standpoint (could have been better executed / telegraphed at key moments)
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Likewise for your 2nd point I will argue Mr. Hat and Clogs is merely turning Ichigo into a weapon and actually making his trauma worse even if Ichigo is capable of more and higher level spiritual pressure feats.
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Spoiler: SpoilersWhich is ironic once we learn the religious figure Mr Hat and Clogs Banaki represents, which is also in the name of his Bankai "Avalokiteśvara".
To put it just flat out there, Avalokiteśvara in stories outside Bleach is not anything like Kisuke. This makes you call into question why Mr Hat and Clogs Bankai is Avalokitesvara in the first place and Kisuke may have obtained Bankai in 3 days via a "short cut." Yet perhaps he may not understand his Sword, much like Ichigo does not understand his own Self let alone his Sword.
Are we truly sure Mr Hat and Clogs is a good mentor or a mentor who is part a Villain who also is trying to do good?
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2022-09-14, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm meh on Ichihime but I definitely think Renjukia was set up well.
Oh I'm aware. I can tell you haven't watched the new one all the way through if you think he changed his mind about Bleach though
lol. Oh well. Maybe Hell Arc will be a step up.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-09-14, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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My chronic pain condition has been acting up all day, so maybe I did not find the right words to say what I meant.
He still has complaints but he is not sure the chain of events is what he thought it was earlier, and he also has fondness for the series even if he has complaints. And lastly something about love and being a fan yet still having complaints.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-09-15, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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I too have a fondness for the series despite my complaints, and I'll definitely be watching 1000YBW. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
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2022-09-15, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-15, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like Bleach enough to follow the manga if it continues. At least long enough to see if it's any good. I gave up on the anime a loooooong time ago during one of the fillers and I was actually surprised to learn in this thread that it never finished. The series really peaked during the first rescue arc and never quite got good again after that...but that first peak was really good, so I'll vaguely follow along with Bleach content in the hopes that it gets back to that one day. The Blood War arc definitely ain't it though. I remember it being the worst arc overall, so I'm not super excited to see it animated. Lots of screen time spent on characters you're given no reason to care about, and Ichigo's character "growth" is all over the place.
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2022-09-15, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-15, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, if you watched the fillers you only have yourself to blame. I was discussing Bleach with a coworker and he said the same - the Bount arc did for him. The filler arcs were dire, and the Bount arc in particular drove me away until it finished.
At least they kept them separate though, instead of the way Naruto started integrating them into the main plot and jamming in tons of filler flashback episodes in the middle of a fight.
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2022-09-15, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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You are welcome to skip over any posts of mine that seem disagreeable
I actually didn't hate the Bount arc. I mean, yeah it was a slog with a whole lot of wasted motion. But the character designs were really cool, and it did provide some additional lore around Mod Souls. Soul Vampires were an interesting idea too even if they kinda didn't go anywhere.
The Zanpakuto Rebellion filler arc was similar - cool concept, very cool character designs, molasses plotting and weird motivations.
Honestly my main regret with early 00's anime is that streaming wasn't a thing yet so they're too afraid to just go on hiatus when they catch up to the manga.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-09-15, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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The best arcs of Bleach were the first two, where his editors made suggestions ad helped him finalize ideas but for the most part let him do what he wanted to do at a pace he was comfortable with—I think the only hard demand they made was to not drag his feat if he was planning on switching to an overarching plot instead of staying monster of the week.
After that he had differant editors who made more demands of him and we know that some of those demands led directly to the problems in later arcs.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-09-15, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-15, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also with streaming tv, perhaps Economics has something to do with this if it impacts multiple media institutions, perhaps there are mediators in the system
(but yeah also for other reasons, for example a pitch is often practiced the most, and the first arc is perfectly structured for its goal is to capture your attention, while inertia is what "drives" you forward into future arcs, not just "desire.")Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-09-15, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except with Bleach it was literally the opposite problem, Kubo listened to his editors more but... They weren't good editors.
Except for the first batch, who actually did their jobs.
The editor's job is to keep things on track and editorial demands are almost always associated with a worse product—leaving anime aside for example, one of the most Infamous Storylines in American superhero comics was done because Marvel's Editor in Chief didn't think a married superhero was relatable and demanded the marriage be split up.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-09-15, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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My problem with Bleach was that Kubo was more interested in introducing new characters and designs than telling a satisfying story. Not sure you can possibly blame that on editors.
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2022-09-15, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can actually: He makes characters to cope with writer's block.
One of the sources of his writers block in the series was the batch of editors he had in the middle portion demanding that he spend more time on certain arcs in order to emphasize the elements they liked.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-09-15, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Editors can be both a good and a bad thing. Without editors, Toriyama would have reportedly stopped Dragonball after the Pilaf saga - no Krillin, no Tenkaichi Budokai, no Red Ribbon etc.
His editors are also the reason we got Androids #17, #18 and Cell, he was originally only going to do Gero + 19.
Buuuuuut... his editors are also the reason Gohan was wasted after the Cell Saga, and they're behind a lot of the problems that showed up in the Buu saga too. They also initially were against Goku growing up in the first place.
So I don't think it can ever be as simple as "editors good" / "editors bad." Like with any creative endeavor, too much influence on one end of the scale and the whole thing tips over.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2022-09-15, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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...I feel the need to clarify that I never said "editors bad."
I said that editorial interference was part of the problem with Bleach and that excessive editorial interference is commonly associated with bad stories.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-09-15, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-16, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I wish I could peek into an alternate universe and read the alternate Android Saga.
Because as cool as Cell was, the plot of the Cell Saga is riddled with holes as a result of the continuing changes demanded by the editors. Toriyama did an incredible job of patching them, but we're still left with an arc I liked less than the Freeza Saga because every time I think about it my head does that quizzical tilt dogs do.
I'm super curious what could have been, and whether Toriyama had any deeper plans that got tossed in the trash when he was forced to change villains multiple times.
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2022-09-16, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have a hard time seeing how he could have ever made the original androids a credible threat. Morbidly obese clown robot is not exactly a design that radiates danger. Putting them aside in favor of 17/18 and Cell was the right choice.
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2022-09-16, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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17 and 18 would have made better villains than Cell IMO. You can even keep the part where they end up not being pure evil, just kinda petty and confused.
I never liked Cell, and as time has gone on I think my opinion on the Cell saga as a whole has degenerated quite a bit. It has some hype moments, buried under a lot of trash. I actually think the Buu saga overall is better than Cell.
Cell as a villain is a big part of this. Or, at least, Semi-perfect and Perfect Cell are. Perfect Cell is just Frieza 2.0, and Semi-perfect is too single-minded to really be an interesting villain.
Imperfect Cell is indiscriminate enough to be interesting. Truly monstrous in a way the other forms aren't.
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2022-09-16, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-16, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like Cell, but I may be conflating the original with the abridged version a bit. It's been like 20 years or so since I've seen the original.
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2022-09-17, 06:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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The DMG does not mandate 6-8 encounters per day.
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2022-09-24, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Another trailer dropped. It doesn't really add too much new information, but it does show that they're changing color pallets to be more show accurate.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-09-24, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-24, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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That trailer seemed really bad honestly. Music was unfitting and most of the dialogue was completely pointless and didn't set the tone at all.
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2022-09-24, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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I loved it, not a long trailer but hype music and everyone calling of their attack names is a great way to build excitement.
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