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2020-04-22, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-23, 03:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Her first appearance in the comic was here.
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2020-04-23, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-23, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I can't think of anyone (who wasn't already mentioned) for the main cast..
But some of my picks for some side characters:
Constance Wu - Miko
Awkwafina - Tsukiko
Jeff Bridges - Odin
Eva Green - Hel
Danny Devito - Oracle
If Christopher Lee was still alive, I'd slot him in for Tarquin.
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2020-04-23, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-23, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there any reason Roy needs to be a stacked like a bodybuilder? I thought part of his thing was that he had unusually average physical attributes for a fighter.
For the purposes of casting I think the manner is much more important than build, provided the actor's in reasonable shape. Roy's a bit of a challenge because while a comedic character he's also prematurely world-weary and a straight man for most purposes. I'm not sure any of Samuel L. Jackson, Terry Crews or the Rock fit the part, age notwithstanding.
Andre Braugher is too old, but I see him playing Roy rather more convincingly. Among more realistically aged actors who've been mentioned already, I think John Boyega is a decent call.
It's hard to picture live-action individuals playing the characters though for the same reason that Rich decided against an art upgrade for the Julio Scoundrél comic: when you've got used to the characters as stick figures, nothing else will look right.Last edited by Aedilred; 2020-04-23 at 06:49 PM.
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2020-04-23, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-23, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roy has good physical and mental stats and is implied to be incredibly strong and the strongest in the party. Characters with mediocre physical stats are probably some of the casters and maybe Elan especially since he needed that cha based prestige class to be good.
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2020-04-24, 01:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-24, 02:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Tbh, I don't think having a high strength doesn't really affect your body size all that much, I mean you can have a human being stronger than a half-dragon who is all muscles and double their size, technically. DnD seems to operate in comic book/anime logic, meaning even characters that are supposed to be normal really have some matter of superhuman attributes. If muscle mass was that big of a factor in determining strength, humans would be comparably one of the worst races possible for fighters. I feel that if Roy is played by a bodybuilder, he'll be way more imposing than most other cast members, when he isn't supposed to be someone that seems all that special from a glance.
Heck, even characters like Nale or Elan are probably stronger than any commoner at this point. I feel that casting based on physical stats would just be a really hard rule to maintain and keep consistent.
As for Roy's strength compared to other fighters, that may be an extrapolation of Xykon and Thog's comment on his build, saying that his investment on not-primary stats wasn't optimal or that he should try for a stronger build. Although just cause of level alone there isn't much in the way of fighters that would make it for a fair comparison with him at this point in time.Last edited by ebarde; 2020-04-24 at 02:49 AM.
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2020-04-24, 04:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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A lot of interesting suggestions for many characters. By far my favorite has been Winston Duke as Roy (the guy from black panther), just look at some pictures of him, he would be great.
I could see Terry Crews being Thog, big and energetic.
Kelsey Grammer as Red Cloak.
Gogo Yubari (axe crazy school girl in Kill Bill) as Miko.
James Hong as Sojo.
Daniel Radcliffe as Belkar.
Have to think about the rest a bit more.
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2020-04-24, 04:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know why but I always read Roy's lines with Dulé Hill's voice, but idk. As for Kelsey Grammer he's a bit too old, since Redcloak is supposed to be at least biologically a young goblin
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2020-04-24, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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We know that his highest attribute is Intelligence, as of his arena fight with Thog. That's even after having the opportunity to buff his Strength score three or four times, assuming his level is mid-teens. He's also got good enough Wisdom that he could have gone into cleric-ing, and he has a Charisma bonus too.
In the albeit non-canonical Snips, Snails 4e comic (but featuring the same version of 3.5e Roy) it's implied he'd be better off multi/prestige-classing into a warrior class that allows him to bring his INT into play than sticking it out as a pure fighter.
We'd normally expect a fighter to have their best stats in STR/CON. By implication, unless Roy has unusually high stats right across the board, his STR/CON are likely to be on the lower end of the scale for a fighter. He's undoubtedly got higher STR/CON than the average person, but that doesn't necessarily make him as stacked as a professional body-builder.
Having the highest STR score in the party doesn't necessarily mean a lot, because other than Belkar I wouldn't expect any of the others to have above-average STR anyway.
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2020-04-24, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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His Str (with all upgrades including belt) is 29, whereas his Int is only 17-odd.
https://forums.giantitp.com/showthre...sh-upon-a-Stat
He might have begun at 1st level with Str 16 Int 17, or so - but now, it's fairly safe to say that, even unequipped, he's stronger than Str 17.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2020-04-24, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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If Int was Roy's highest stat, he'd have more than V. He has a pretty good int but that's it, that being said it's pretty clear to me that his strength could be a whole lot higher if his stats weren't so spread out. We don't really know how stats are decided upon, but considering how much his spread out array is called into question, I'd say his primary stats suffer cause of the whole jack of all trades thing he's got going for
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2020-04-24, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-24, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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I was misremembering some exact wording in the Thog fight. It's this strip where Thog and Roy discuss how Roy can use his Int score in combat and Thog implies it's Roy's highest. Later, following the win, Roy says "that's how I use my Int score", which I had misremembered as "best score".
There is however this post from Rich where he says that both Roy's INT and WIS are "very good" and his CHA is "decent".
Roy's INT score is at the very least high enough for a career in wizardry to have been viable.
My interpretation of the comic has always been that Roy's strength is decent naturally, but is boosted to superhuman levels by the belt. When other characters say for instance that he's "as strong as a giant" they're referring to his strength as modified by the belt (of giant strength).Last edited by Aedilred; 2020-04-24 at 08:03 AM.
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2020-04-24, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, but in the case of goblins, orcs, undead etc we can't really use human standards, so Grammers age is irrelevant, his voice and body language is what matters.
Also, Red Cloak looks quite young, and to a certain extent act quite young. But he is in fact quite old and very wise (high wisdom), and I feel that Kelsey Grammer could make it work.
Mikael Fassbender is also a good choice.
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2020-04-24, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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No magic items and a wooden sword would seem to disagree.
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2020-04-24, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think you've got that right. Half dragons are the same size as the race they're mixed with. The are also significantly stronger than humans. People who are stronger than ogres or bears or creatures who are stronger than humans in real life, are generally stronger because they have some magical enhancement (like a belt).
Within size categories (like medium for humans) the rules don't specify whether stronger people are toward the upper end of that range or anything. I expect different people and gaming groups probably imagine it different ways.
In real life it simply doesn't happen that small people are at the upper echelon of human strength. There are weight classes fighting sports and weight lifting etc for a reason - if there weren't the bigger people would blow the smaller people away.
Roy is (even without his belt) at the upper echelon of human strength. Personally, I find it difficult to imagine him as anything other than a big strong guy even in cartoon form. I think the incongruity would be much worse (for me) if it were a film acted by real people. This is a pet peeve of mine, but I don't think I am alone - see the outcry over Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher.
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2020-04-24, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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In addition to all this, visuals help convey implications. When an artist wants to convey a strong character, making them muscular is an easy way to visually grasp that this character will probably be stronger than most. Even in worlds where that can be enhanced by magic, or worlds where a lanky character has super-strength, a muscular character still conveys that they are supposed to be very strong. In anime's case, the lanky-but-strong character is playing against type, and it's surprising that they are strong. That's not the case with Roy, nobody is really surprised at his strength.
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2020-04-24, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think anyone would disagree with you that Roy is intelligent, but that in no way implies that he is not extremely strong.
He is. The class level geekery thread notes his strength is 29 (with a belt). I think belts only go up to +8. That is consistent with him either starting with 17 str and improving it four times, or starting with 18 str and improving it three times. So that puts his starting strength at either the 99.6th percentile or the 98.1st percentile. Either way he is very strong.
Couldn't agree more
Examples bear it out. Nobody doubts that Conan or the Mountain is strong - you know from the sight of them. But characters like Robert Baratheon who are written as being super strong, but is portrayed by an actor who look not out of the ordinary - so the audience doesn't know he's strong without reading the books.
I don't think anyone is saying Roy shouldn't be played as being intelligent. It's just that strength is something that can be gauged (to an extent) by looking at a person, whereas intelligence generally cannot.Last edited by Liquor Box; 2020-04-24 at 08:58 AM.
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2020-04-24, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is interesting, and I really admire Radcliffe, but I've never seen him play a borderline psychotic character. In that vein I think I prefer Elijah Wood who not only has already been pre-shrunk to Hobbit size (thus saving the production company a bunch of money), but has already done a delicious turn as a guy who wants to cut everybody up in "Sin City". Thanks for the inspiration, as up until now I haven't been able to visualize anyone as Beltar.
To support your point I submit: Superman and (the original Fawcett) Captain Marvel. I've always thought that there was no reason on Earth for these two characters to be depicted as over-muscled, since they rarely have to strain themselves and therefore their muscles would never have the opportunity to become damaged and repair themselves, which is what creates muscle bulk.
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2020-04-24, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-24, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-24, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-24, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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I see Roy more as a younger Denzel Washington. What he does well is playing the most civilized man on Earth, more grounded characters where you'll really feel the impact when they do finally flip out and get angry. To me that's pretty much Roy.
What Dwayne Johnson does well is play exaggerated main characters. The moment he appears on screen you know that he's just much better than anybody else. He's so bankable because he can do it in a very likable way. You'll still think of him as a nice guy. Arnold Schwarzenegger pulls this off too, while someone like Vin Diesel* or especially Steven Seagal always comes across as a bit of an ******* when they (try to) pull this routine. This is not how I imagine Roy though, he's not clearly the best super main character you should be rooting for around, he's more of a Bruce Willis type man up against impossible odds.
*The great thing about Vin Diesel is that there are actors like Sylvester Stallone who are completely serious about their characters and can give it their all and there are actors like Samual L Jackson who are in on the joke and play things up for fun. Great actors can switch between both depending on the project they're in. Vin Diesel somehow manages to continuously be both types of actor at the same time. It's a mixed bag as far as making good movies is concerned, but it sure is interesting to see.Last edited by Lvl 2 Expert; 2020-04-24 at 09:28 AM.
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2020-04-24, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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They only go up to +6 (outside of Epic items), hence the question being asked "is it +4 or +6". Plus, being only level 14 or so, he cannot have more than 3 stat improvements - his strength cannot be more than 3 points higher than he started out with.
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0687.html
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItem...fGiantStrength
However, Roy also read a Manual of Gainful Exercise, and they go up to +5.
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItem...ainfulExercise
Because the two bonuses are different (one is Inherent, one is Enhancement) they stack.
Inherent bonuses, once gained, cannot be negated or dispelled - they're permanent, not going away in antimagic fields.
So we know that, without the belt, Roy's Str will be 23 or 25.
If it's the best belt, and the best Manual, Roy's starting Strength could be as low as 15.Last edited by hamishspence; 2020-04-24 at 09:59 AM.
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2020-04-24, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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He gets hit multiple times by Belkar he hits Belkar once, which enough to completely disorient and stun Belkar. Again, I'm not going by numbers; I'm going by how this appears to the average reader of the strip. And that appears as if Roy is massively strong, even without any magical items.
This can be done with non-strong characters - off the top of my head, George McFly landing that punch on Biff. But almost every time it's done with a thin, lanky, or otherwise non-muscular person, it's for a narrative purpose. In George's case, that was the culmination of his entire character arc. For others, it would be a way to introduce them as a strong character without appearing as such. For Roy, it's neither. It's just him being freakishly strong, which we have come to expect.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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