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2017-08-08, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I mean, apart from the people literally saying that it's not a coincidence that they didn't give the critique they normally would...
Spoiler: In which a real scientist does scienceFirst there's the fact that the sample size isn't one, it's forty, because you count every member of both groups when counting a sample size. The group size is one, and also [insert problems with observational studies here], but the sample size is... I mean, I wouldn't trust a scientific study with sample size 40, but I don't have much of a choice and I'm not trying to be massively precise. Second, there's nothing stopping a single result in one group being meaningful for a known prior trend; if it's multiple standard deviations out of line it can easily hit the critical region (assuming p=0.05) on its own. Third, the fact that the change is noticeable with a single result actually implies that the change was a very drastic one. If it weren't then it would only be noticeable after a long time.
But then there's the fact that you're trying to apply scientific rigour to something that was a relatively trivially obvious observation about something that doesn't really merit the scientific method, so I don't know what that says about you.
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2017-08-08, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Totals were:
Antiquarian - 13 points
Photorealist - 7 points + tiebreaker vote from me for 2nd
Wizard of the Coast - 1 point
Transcendent - 7 points
Knitted Knight - 6 points
Artist Macabre - 2 pointsHomebrew
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Okay. Well there's a couple of points I want to address.
That is not the post right before you complained, it is considerably after you started complaining.
That post is not a reflection on the voting method because it has been stated that you were free to disclose your own votes, rather it's more of a comment on the persons personality. Additionally, their comment had to do with phrasing something carefully, I (the designer in question) would have read both statements the same. "Hey you forgot this rule thing, that sucks". Yeah, I got it thank you, either way.
Finally, I am tabling this discussion because it has devolved into condescension and hostility which I certainly did not invite.
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2017-08-08, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
You'll notice that the post saying someone did that was #91 and the post in which they did was #90.
That post is not a reflection on the voting method because it has been stated that you were free to disclose your own votes, rather it's more of a comment on the persons personality.
Finally, I am tabling this discussion because it has devolved into condescension and hostility which I certainly did not invite.
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2017-08-08, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I publicly posted my votes because I missed the line saying we should message him them. When I saw it and chose not to message him because I had already posted publicly. Later I got a message saying I had not voted. I had not voted the way he had intended so I do not begrudge him for that but I think private voting kills the points mean nothing status of the competition. People should focus on the craft and hope people like thier class. The skillful voting to prevent someone form winning is a way you can make your votes have more impact. For instance Jor had an amazing class, but because the class was so META I couldn't support it on a whole. And well there was my critique of my class...sad panda.
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2017-08-09, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
The Egregore's class description, features and swarm companion are more or less finished. Any feedback on that or the WIP power list would be helpful.
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2017-08-09, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I'm really excited about Feyblessed. I think Fey are definately underutilized.
Hm... I wonder if I could run a homebrew creature contest...
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2017-08-09, 09:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I've completed my entry besides finishing the saves and the druid casting progression. It is definitely more powerful than my last class.
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2017-08-09, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Congrats to Knit and bek, you guys really earned it. For myself, I'm pleased and surprised - I honestly expected Wizard of the Coast to come in higher than the Transcendent. So thanks for rating my class higher than I did, I suppose
Anyway, I promised I'd give my thoughts on the classes when I had the time, so here we go:
Knighted Knight: I was all about the flavour on this one, and the playstyle it supported looked fun, too. What lost it for me, bek already pretty much covered - it needed a bit of polishing, both in format and content. Missing skills, Magical Knit was just crazy as written, you get the idea. Overall, it's a fun-looking class that fit the theme well, but it had technical issues I couldn't overlook.
Wizard of the Coast: You know I'm always a fan of your work, Jorm, and this is no exception. The WotC is so tongue-in-cheek, from the flavour to the mechanics, and I loved it. The idea of giving out class features was inspired. My issues with it were largely that it's a bit of a slog to read through, and a little difficult to understand without multiple readings. I also couldn't really see myself playing it, so it lost a bit of its appeal to me personally. That said, it was my number three vote, all that humour and the uniqueness of the concept selling it for me.
Antiquarian: This was my number one vote. It was very nearly my number two vote, but it sold me on a decidedly tie-breaking factor: it looked like something I'd have a lot of fun with. Clearly, a lot of time and effort was devoted to this class, and it shows. It was given in an easy-to-read, polished format, and nothing about it seemed particularly over- or underpowered. It took a unique angle to the theme that I appreciated, and it screams options without overdoing it, which is always a good thing for a class. The only thing I had against the class, the one thing, was spending a week on new artifacts. Which is mostly down to the complete lack of downtime in campaigns I play. The Antiquarian definitely won this for me, no doubt.
Artist Macabre: I'm a sucker for dancing classes. Couldn't tell you why, that's just who I am. As such, I loved the theme and flavour of this class. However, I was immediately struck by the key feature. The class basically hinges on Dance of Blood, which is written in a somewhat confusing manner, and is rather situational. I felt like I could have fun with this, but I also felt like I'd have to put work in and go out of my way to force interactions with this ability. Much as I was sold on the fluff of the class, the crunch was a stumbling block.
Photorealist: So finally we reach, if you couldn't guess, my number two vote. Pretty much everything I said about the Antiquarian is true of the Photorealist - the invested effort, the options, the theme (which was really just a better use of painting than I had), it was all golden. In the end, the thing that separated the two classes was my bias towards the Antiquarian's main mechanic, and the spot of trouble I had figuring out the Photorealist's primary class feature; having to go over it a couple of times to get it set in my mind made me feel like it would give me trouble down the line if I played it myself, and I hate to have to constantly refer to a class feature to make sure I don't have it wrong. But the Photorealist is really fantastic, the work put into it is self-evident, and obviously I felt it earned second place.
Overall, I can honestly say I loved all of your work. You certainly gave me a run for my money. Again, thanks for rating the Transcendent as favourably as you did, it did far better than I could have hoped - and many congratulations to bek and Knit for outdoing me, and you two completely earned it.Last edited by Eno Remnant; 2017-08-09 at 11:23 PM.
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2017-08-09, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2017-08-10, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Hi, I'm back
I threw my hat in the ring with the Feyblessed. Still a WIP.My Homebrew (Free to use, don't even bother asking. PM me if you do, though; I'd love to hear stories).
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Coloring unfinished sections red is pretty clever, idareyou. I might have to steal that next time I'm making something big. A lot easier than my previous method of TEXT.
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2017-08-15, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Feyblessed is playable. Feats and more paths may come.
I really question if it's balanced, since it has 9th level spells and full BAB. But, the Druid is hailed as one of the toughest gishes in the game, and this one has stunted spellcasting compared to them, which it has to sacrifice to gain wildshape instead of having it as a separate ability, and also an extremely restrictive oath compared to druids: no proficiency in armor or weapons and loss of all class abilities if broken. On the other hand, it has two more skills and all good saves. Anyone care to PEACH?My Homebrew (Free to use, don't even bother asking. PM me if you do, though; I'd love to hear stories).
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2017-08-16, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
The Feyblessed looks really cool, but I had a couple of ideas.
First of all, the oath seems... flavor inappropriate? I guess to me, the idea of that fey don't make leather armor or weapons seems alien.
Second, I feel like being a prepared spellcaster is the wrong choice for this type of character, at least, power wise. They feel like they can honestly do a -lot- because of that. If your goal is to make a tier 1 one class that can go toe to toe with the druid though, then I don't think this is a problem.
Finally, from a design standpoint I dislike the dead level at 19th, and the continued use of 1d3 for unarmed damage (it's an awkward dice size I feel should be moved away from when possible).
Overall, it does look pretty good, I just think it could use some more refinement and punch.Last edited by Knitifine; 2017-08-16 at 05:12 AM.
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2017-08-16, 05:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Thanks! I guess the balance sits fine with you at least. I think your problem with the oath could be fixed with more fluff support (since 4 of the 5 paths are named for animals, I was thinking that the oath was less about being like a fey and more about getting in touch with the beast within, which I failed to state). I'm not sure how to balance spontaneous casting with the druid spell list and I've always heard that favored souls suck because they apply the sorcerer's idea to a spell list that it doesn't work for. Themewise, it is the naturey version of a favored soul, but I don't want to make the same mistakes.
I agree about the unarmed damage and it wouldnt be gamebreaking to boost it to 1d4 at level 1 (or rather, increase the dice size by one in the case of characters other than the standard medium sized humanoids). Later the paths all give you ways to pile on more damage, so I'd probably have it stay the same all the way through.
I've been criticized before for filling every level, so this time for once I erred on the side of caution. Really though, there's no such thing as a dead level on a full caster, but I suppose I could move the final DR increase to 19th level. I'm open to other suggestions too, on that and for other paths. Is there any other sufficiently distinct combat style that a ferocious animal could represent? I dont want to make one based on cute fluffy bunnies or anything like that because I'd probably end up making five more instead of 1 or 2. I was thinking maybe a leader type represented by a lion, but the wolf covers group tactics pretty well. Maybe a crocodile or shark for aquatic campaigns? A dragon? Thanks again for the prompt response and positivity :)My Homebrew (Free to use, don't even bother asking. PM me if you do, though; I'd love to hear stories).
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2017-08-16, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Disclaimer: This posts contains a lot of OPINIONS about GAME BALANCE in 3.5E which are SUBJECTIVE.
The favored soul sucks because it has to split its stats when it's class features already suggest a gish build and it must spend some spell known on healing in order to avoid party misunderstands or disappointment. In order to get around this, I would say you could give the 'Cure' line of spells as free spells known (though I'm also fond of Goodberry).
I would advance all the way to the devious level of 1d6 for medium sized characters. This way no standard race has to fiddle around with awkward 1d3s. This boosts your average damage by like... 2? So I don't think it's a huge deal. Damage has always been a rather finicky thing to balance in 3.5e anyways.
Maybe a deception themed ability like A Thousand Faces?
Perhaps shark based style based upon bleeding damage?
Always welcome. I hope this shapes up to be a great class, lots of good stuff going for it.Professional Sorcerer Advocate.
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Well after an hour of work, I managed to get enough of a signal to release the class's first part for read.
The keepers life and chassis are complete, and is sufficiently ready for you to infer the kind of loadour it's primary powersst so employ. The Essence system can be best described as a bastafdization of Binding and Oncarnoum Chakras though less restrictive and it's more about applying it to allies than yourself.
My main problem so far is a lack of ideas to give the keeper something to do while in combat.... I shoe horned in a pseudo ensnare and a miniblast to try work something out.
I'll see if I can be more active and comment on other people's work this time around. It's just a bit hard to do so because of band width problems.I possess the Addicted to Editing flaw. I have edit my posts 3 seconds after posting them for 10 minutes.
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Proprietor - Bring a House to a Sword fight! Be the adventuring interior/exterior decorator. Use siege weapons, customize your hour.
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2017-08-19, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I think the Feyblessed is done... changed it to a spontaneous caster, added two new paths, Ape (charging and movement) and Shark (bleeding and aquatic affinity), and added a 19th level boost to whichever path you've invested the most in.
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Well commitments got in the way. Wont be able to finish the class in time for the deadline especially since i scrapped the whole thing and restarted.
I was too ambitious.I possess the Addicted to Editing flaw. I have edit my posts 3 seconds after posting them for 10 minutes.
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2017-09-14, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I possess the Addicted to Editing flaw. I have edit my posts 3 seconds after posting them for 10 minutes.
Current Projects:
Backing Dragon: the Inheritance - World of Darkness Fan game where you play a dragon
Mutant - Be a horrible abomination of a player character. Comes in a variety of flavors.
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Due to crises both academic and financial I am forced to end development of the Egregore and submit it as is.
I apologize for any disappointment that brings.Professional Sorcerer Advocate.
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Winning Entry: The Antiquarian (Artifacts, Options).
Runner Up for Base Class Context XXXXI 'It's In Our Nature'
Entry: The Egregore (Vermin Companion)