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Thread: Baldur's Gate III (2)
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2020-06-30, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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As much as I think faithfully translating 3E rules to a video game is a poor idea (and Kingmaker has done a lot to reassure me of that), it really was among the least of ToEE's problems, yes. I distinctly remember wandering around an extensive dungeon and not knowing what I was actually doing there. Or fun things like multiple Rays of Enfeeblement stacking.
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2020-06-30, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Uh, Kingmaker was a smash hit, not just as a Kickstarter game but as a AA CRPG in general - and together with DOS2's success is likely the reason we're even getting BG3 to begin with. And for two such franchises (three if you count Pillars) to succeed without D&D's branding juggernaut behind them that's especially impressive.
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2020-07-01, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Interesting. I confess that a person who plays BG2+ToB every two or three years, I couldn't finish Kingmaker. I found the combat gameplay underwhelming and the kingdom management just ended up demotivating me, which was disappointing given how excited I had been for the game to come out.
I agree that Kingmaker and DOS2 were probably important in the interest of WotC to make a new BG game, but my guess would be that teh release of Beamdog's enhanced editions of the original games were the main direct cause. They released an interquel, and hired David Gaider away from Bioware in what everyone interpreted as getting ready to work on BG3.Last edited by Clertar; 2020-07-01 at 04:32 AM.
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2020-07-01, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-01, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-03, 05:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Kingmaker was, for me, one of the straightest examples of "more of the sum of its parts". Neither the fights, nor the plot/writing/companions, nor the kindgom management were very good (I played with the turn-based mod to make the fights at least somewhat interesting), but the game had just the right balance and variety between all these things to keep me hooked until the end.
Personally, I would say it succeeds despite its choice to faithfully adapt a tabletop ruleset, and not because of it.
That said, Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 are some of my all-time favorite RPGs, gameplay-wise, so I'm interested in how Larian will approach this challenge.
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2020-07-06, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Quite why so many people seem to like Kingmaker is one of those mysteries of life I'll never be able to plumb. Like people who like raisins. So it goes sometimes.
I've decided I'll probably play a dwarf bard if I do play BG3. It's probably too much to hope for that fighters, rogues or rangers (my first choices) will be very fun or satisfying, but bards seem to strike a good balance between having skills and spells. And I want a dwarf bard because I like to buck stereotypes, even if the attribute bonus mismatch is annoying. I'll probably also play a half-elf wizard, for old times' sake - it was my most-played character in the original trilogy.My FFRP characters. Avatar by Ashen Lilies. Sigatars by Ashen Lilies, Gullara and Purple Eagle.
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2020-07-06, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Assuming they match reasonably close to 5e in terms of stats, a dwarf bard actually has a decent amount of combat potential. Any of the melee bards benefits from extra str or dex, con is nice for everybody, and you can either get some extra HP or medium armor depending on your subrace.
Its not super minmaxed, but dwarves are tough, and bards can appreciate that.Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.
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2020-07-08, 01:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-08, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.
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2020-08-14, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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All I really want to know is whether this game will require you to gather your party before venturing forth.
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2020-08-14, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Huh... havent really been excited for a AAA game in a long time.
Edit: lol @ Saintheart. I can hear it...Last edited by danzibr; 2020-08-14 at 07:59 AM.
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2020-08-14, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think any new D&D game will stand or fall on how easy it is for GMs to write their own modules, and/or host their own servers. That was ToEE's biggest failure - it basically wasn't designed to be modded at all, the community patch was a testament to the determination and knowhow of a small number of fan/hackers.
Conversely, NWN's great strength is the huge library of fan modules and mods that you can still download for it. NWN2 was harder to mod, which was particularly sad because its original campaign also marked an all-time low (so far) in writing quality."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbors pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2020-08-14, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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DOS2, at least, has a fairly thriving modding community and, while i havent explored it, specific infrastructure to support player-made modules with an explicit DM mode in case you feel like antagonizing your friends that day. It is at least something theyre aware of.
Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.
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2020-08-19, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2020-08-20, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has anyone played both divinity original sin and baldur's gate? How do they compare?
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2020-08-20, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've played Divinity Original Sin 1 and Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 (with expansions, but not Dragonspear). They aren't really comparable. They're both RPGs set in Medieval-ish high fantasy, and that's about it.
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2020-08-27, 08:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Baldur's Gate is a timeless classic that's really showing its age by now and I find DOS2 massively overrated. BG3 is visually very similar to DOS2, but using D&D 5E rules means the comparisons only go so far.
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2020-08-27, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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In general, my DOS experience has been significantly closer to that of an actual D&D game, mostly because RTWP is just a terrible game mode in general compared to turn based, and i honestly wonder now if significant damage wasnt done to the genre and its accessibility by trying to stick with it over just sucking it up and playing more like the source material.
Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.
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2020-08-27, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Question: is this game turn-based?
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2020-08-28, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-04, 04:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Early access is set for September 30: https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/08...tails-revealed
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2020-09-04, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-04, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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If there is a month when I have an extra 60$ for entertainment I will pick it up but I won't play until it is out of EA. I hate playing RPGs in EA.
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2020-09-04, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-05, 04:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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In a recent panel they also revealed that the game will start in Avernus, in the middle of the Blood War, before moving back to Faerūn, in the area near Balgur's Gate that we had seen. So far, I like how they lean into FR lore for the plot, rather than using it as a generic fantasy setting sprinkled with FR details.
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2020-09-05, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avernus was one of the evil Planes, right?
And the Blood War?
That really doesn't sound like good place* to start a adventure. Unless you're starting on a higher level/with very good gear/powers or in one of the few safe-ish places, with the clashing fiends being closer to background noise this sounds like a bad time for the MC/party- more so than usual on the lower planes.
With the running and the screaming and the gruesome deaths.
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2020-09-05, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep, Avernus is the first layer of the nine hells . And it is where much of the of Blood War takes place.
I'm running Descent into Avernus for my players, which is apparently the prelude to Baldur's Gate III. In it, players go to Avernus as early as 5th or 6th level. And also in Avernus there are numerous low level NPC civilians hiding out trying to survive until the heroes can rescue them.
So low level people can survive in hell. If only by the skin of their teeth.Last edited by xroads; 2020-09-05 at 02:38 PM.
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2020-09-05, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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The gameplay video they showed earlier this year contradicts this. It showed the first couple hours of the game, and the Nine Hells were nowhere in sight. I took their reference to Avernus to mean that the game would follow the events of Descent into Avernus like the previous games followed the Time of Troubles, not that it'd actually start there.
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