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Thread: Variant, non-broken monk.
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2014-06-13, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
...And you really think yours is in any way a reasonable distinction to keep the obviously overpowered monk from taking fighter feats, or that such was intended? The differences between "fighter bonus feats" and "fighter bonus feat list" are utterly negligible in regular conversation. Screwing over someone playing a monk "just because" is kind of a jerky thing to do as a DM. It's not like there are many PC classes that are less powerful and more useless than a monk. Heck, half the NPC classes are more powerful and useful to just about any group.
[edit] Unarmed swordsage'd.Last edited by Rubik; 2014-06-13 at 07:44 PM.
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2014-06-13, 11:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
I think his main argument (oh god... am I backing snowbluff?) is simply that by strictest RAW, its only the list.
Obviously even he would agree (he better) that it would make sence for any gm to just allow all fighter feats for reasons mentioned by rubik
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2014-06-14, 12:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
Here, try this I cant believe its not Druid, its an almost perfectly legal monk created through combining variants and ACFs. Resists nature's lure should not be granted at third level
Its also really powerful.Last edited by toapat; 2014-06-14 at 12:03 AM.
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2014-06-14, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
Indeed. The argument was originally to get around that "I have epic fighter feats" crap, but I ended up debunking the entire ACF. Nothing about it dysfunctional in any way. In fact, your feat list is greatly improved for several styles. It's just not all-encompassing like people think it is.
What Curmudgeon said has much wider implications. Even if you were to grab any fighter feat you wanted, you couldn't use it.
Personally, I would rather not have the monk just circumvent every requirement, but the combination of being MAD and not having full BAB (BAB is a common prerequisite) leaves no other option. A fixed monk in terms of bonus feats would simply have full BAB, be less MAD, and would have to meet their prereqs. Unfortunately, you might as well have a fighter at that point.
Also, I'm only like 48% unbackable. I try to have reasons to say the things I say.Last edited by Snowbluff; 2014-06-14 at 12:16 AM.
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2014-06-14, 12:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2014-06-14, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-14, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
It's not like giving the Monk two weapon rend or robilar's gambit at level 2 is particularly broken anyways, so I don't get all the (questionable) RAW finagling to try to make the ACF worse.
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2014-06-14, 01:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-14, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
Double damage AoOs are sexy.
But we're still playing in a game with wizards, clerics and druids.
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2014-06-14, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-14, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-15, 03:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
Oh.
I did not though of epic fighter feats. I'm starting to see the problem of the ACF.
Still, I believe that RAI (or even RAW) is that a monk can take any fighter bonus feat.
However, I still believe not letting monks take too powerful feats (if those feats are too powerful indeed, and not just making the monk a bit better) might be a better way to fix the ACF than limiting its feat selection to the PHB, but your interpretation has the merit of not being dm-dependent.Black is for nitpicking.
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2014-06-15, 04:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
There is a different between taking epic endurance or epic prowess versus taking 2 martial monk 2 levels and becoming immune to ranged atttack rolls.
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2014-06-15, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Variant, non-broken monk.
My simple monk fix was to remove all of the Monk SU abilities other than speed and anything related to AC bonuses. Then add in full PsyWar manifesting, including powers known and PP/day.
Boom, fix't. Play that, 1-20, and you'll have fun and be awesome.
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2014-06-15, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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