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Thread: Love Letter Mafia
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2021-09-14, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
*yawn*
Just posting that I am here today. Feeling like switching my point, just need to figure out a few things during my workday. Like, for example, what do Mr Popo funbucks buy? Just curious, I don't know what I did there either. Other than (what Snowblaze called out) where I was pointing at inactives then pointed at Rogan who was/is active? Is that it - do I win the funbucks? (And despite which way this game goes, I absolutely enjoy that Mr. Popo is totally the Robin Williams reincarnation of the Genie.)
AV - thank you for the in depth analysis of me. I feel loved, even though I am being called scum, but only slightly.
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2021-09-14, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Back. And less paranoid.
gac3, your maths is wrong. The higher number should be number of town players, not total players alive, so LyLo/MyLo are significantly sooner than your numbers suggest.
Rogan:
I'm not really undermining my own point? If the inactives are town and we mislynch someone else today we're in a pretty terrible position. And... meh, you kind of have a point on "why lynch a wolf who's dying anyway" but I am not willing to stake the game on there being a wolf in the inactives.
I'm not obsessed with you. It wasn't just bladescape's death, I was never really that confident on town!you in the first place and I thought your positioning around Jeen was wolfy after the flip. (Speaking of which, that's why I made the "one in you/Batcathat" comment; I thought you had similar positions that a wolf would be likely to take.)
Since then I've been meaning to ISO you but haven't done so due to a combination of procrastination/IRL stuff/tiredness/the fact that I don't actually like doing ISOs. So I've been nagging myself in thread to do it.
You're right that talking to you is a good idea. Let's start with Batcathat. I did in fact make an ISO of them shortly after SOD. And they're town. They're not pushing me, they're tinfoiling me. Which is both understandable and towny for them given the meta thing I pointed out earlier.
Also, a few questions:
- do you think there's a wolf in the inactives?
- what's your read on Xihirli?
I have an urgent deadline that just came up so it's likely I'm not going to be back before EOD.
Oh yeah, and Supagoof, because I forgot how much I wolfread his posts yesterday and because I'm not enthused by his latest "hey, still here" post.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-14, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
@^ Just trying to balance RL work with game, and today I have a bunch of intermittent meetings, which means my posts won't be long drawn out hypothesis, though I am actively trying to be here today.
Rogan - I appreciate your response. however, you did not grasp the entirety of the whole post. During the post, where I said I had wanted to hear more from you, I also stated I didn't read all of day 1. At that point in day 2, you only had one post. I've crossed out my point on you, as you've directly answered me. Still sus (though, to be fair, everyone is).
I'd like to check in onBatCatHatfor the similar reasons. I simply must know more about what you're doing. Also, I feel I may have been accidentally right day 1, at least I wasn't wrong by being on Jeen's bandwagon, although I didn't know that at the time. Saying there's probably a wolf there, simple math being they know they weren't voting each other so hop on.
@lol, I post, walk away from my desk to a meeting, come back, and find this. @V
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2021-09-14, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
And another one done. I really doubt I'll have the time and energy for more than one or maybe two more before EoD. Not sure how much they are helping me or anyone else, but it feels like good practice if nothing else.
Spoiler: ISO on RoganGood start with lots of analysis for this early in the game. Advicing against massclaiming seems town but it might also be a wolf understanding that town won't go for it and gaining some town cred.
Some mechanics. Some support for Xi but (I think?) only for the RPing.
This is reasonable enough, but I could see a wolf trying to push a mislynch under the guise of "wouldn't it be funny?".
Same as above. I would probably be more suspicious if it wasn't aimed at AV specifically.
Wolf and town would both want to clarify this, so doesn't really say much, I think.
Good suggestion, but not really indicative of alignment obviously.
I had (and still do) similar thoughts so they're not necessarily wolfy, whether or not Snow's town.
Mostly about the mechanics of Snow's plan but if Rogan's wolfy, it might have been smart to leave it uncommented or use it against her. So some town points, I guess?
I suppose opposing a rule interpretation that favors the Princess could be somewhat wolfy but I can buy that it's more out of a sense of fair play.
Same as above.
Mostly summing up what's happning, I guess?
Not sure how serious this is intended, seems like an overreaction if serious but I could see it being jokey (and even if serious, not sure it's very wolfy).
Same as with gac, this seems like a pretty normal reaction to Popo's playstyle.
Seems reasonable enough, I guess. I usually don't move around my early vote until I have a good reason to either. Could be a wolf hoping the wagon will gain some momentum without having to really commit.
This too feels like a reasonable reaction to Popo's D1 antics.
Feels like a lot of the arguments aren't very relevant (Xi's letters, my time zone) but it could be padding for fun (and honestly not having many reads) rather than padding to hide not contributing.
Starts understanding Popo better, which I think a lot of us who haven't played with him before started doing at this point, so that checks out. Though most of the discussion seem rather vague, which I don't like.
Could be a wolf trying to lure out the Princess, could be town trying to find answers. Hard to tell.
Consistent with what he said earlier about claiming Princess, at least.
I think I like this analysis for the most part.
I mostly agree about voting inactives and considering how useful the inactives were for the wolves last game, I'm leaning towards this being a little towny? Though I suppose he might be specifically trying to protect his wolf buddy Emmy.
Mostly talking about who isn't wolfy rather than who might be. Not sure that means anything at all.
Mostly more of the same. Having a long list of people not to vote for seems like it might be a bad idea for a wolf, in case they want to jump on some convinent wagon later. So a little towny, I guess?
Most seems to be a clash of play styles. Feels kinda genuine. Voted Jeen for what I think were pretty solid reasons.
I still mostly agree about the inactives but it could still also be protecting inactive wolf buddies.
The first part could be a wolf preemptively excusing not reacting to something that might stop a mislynch. But that seems a little unnecessary (and this post was around 3 am in Rogan's time so going to bed it quite reasonble )
I kinda like this part. It's not as if Rogan really needs to motivate staying on Jeen at this point so it feels honest.
I think this is pretty fair from what I've read. Rogan seems to go quite a bit back and forth on Popo in particular but that's pretty understandable.
Seems consistent with what he's said earlier, aside from maybe trusting Snow more. Speaking out (more or less) in favor of her plan after it's been fairly discredited feels oddly town to me. Could be a wolf still hoping to use it against town, but I don't think so.
In other news, I think the ocean is wetter than the desert.
I won't comment on his big post in detail. Most of it seems fine, though I disagree about liking gac's #233 (as I said before, it feels forced to me) and (obviously) the vote for me. But it's a reasonable theory, if trying out ISOs has shown anything it's how much I tend to argue against myself. I'd point out that I've basically acted the same way in all games, whether town or not, but since being unsure isn't exactly hard to fake (and indeed, I've occasionally played up my inexperience when scum) I could see how that's not really helping me.
So yeah, I don't really have any good defense. His arguments are sound, it's just the conclusion that's wrong.
A lot of mixed feelings in this one too, but there were a few things I really liked so I think I ended up leaning town on Rogan.
Wait, so are you saying that you think specifically one of us is a wolf or that at least one of us is a wolf? Because it sounds like the former but the argument seems to support the latter.
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2021-09-14, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
I shouldn't post when rushed. At the time I also thought "...but it's unlikely two wolves had that similar position". Also I don't believe in that read any more, I stopped at about the point I realised you were town.
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gac3, why are you still voting Rogan despite now having reached a townread on him?I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-14, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
I claim to be the prince, who targeted themself to become a guard.
Even though I am a necromancer, I am not a member of the Coven. In fact, my entire coven disbanded, so my alignment changed to Chaotic Good.
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2021-09-14, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-14, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's nice. Meanwhile, I think a switch flipped in my brain and I went from always townreading you to distrusting everything you say. Like planting the idea that if Rogan or I flip town, the other should get lynched (and backing off it when questioned). I do like you reading me as town, but that paranoid part of my brain is saying "If I was a wolf, wouldn't Batcathat be the kind of unexperienced player that'd be nice to have in the endgame?".
Screw it, if my stupid brain can't make up its mind, I might as well trust my stupid gut. Too many tiny things about Snowblaze rub me the wrong way.
Good to see you at last. Claiming unprompted does seem to be part of your MO, so that makes sense. Though are you saying that you were active N1 but only posted now? That does seem a bit odd.Last edited by Batcathat; 2021-09-14 at 12:22 PM.
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2021-09-14, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-14, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you don't know who it is Snowblaze, that's because it's likely YOOOOUUUUU! lol
It would appear as I was writing up my post on BatCatHat, that BCH was also writing up a very, very long ISO post. Crossed you off BCH.
RogueAlchemist - only because I'm starting to think my pointing of fingers is getting some pretty hefty responses.
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2021-09-14, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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The fact that you suggested there would be a wolf in the inactives but did not include this option in your math seems strange. You were "willing to bet there's a wolf in the inactives rn. " after all.
We currently have 12 players, 2 of them are inactive and doomed to die.
Lets assume one inactive wolf, a misslynch and a dead townie in the night.
players town (3 wolf) wolf (3 wolf) town (4 wolf) wolf (4 wolf) 12 9 3 8 4 8 6 2 5 3 6 4 2 3 3 4 2 2 1 3
Thats a tie at day 4, in case of 4 wolves.
A tie day 5 in case of 3 wolves.
So at least one more day than you suggested. There is also one thing about ties: They favor town. Assuming the princess is not a night kill, she can't die to a tie. Assuming Popo remains the king, he can't die to a tie with a wolf.
I would be glad if you could give some example of what you mean with my positioning about Jeen.
I did not jump the wagon right from the beginning, since I was comfortable with my current vote. Untill I wasn't anymore and had to look somewhere else. And Jeen was a good target. I was wrong, but my reason to go there? They were not.
Your explanation about my ISO is something I can empathize with. When I do ISOs, I will usually try to pick someone in the middle ground of activity. Someone posting too much takes a lot of energy to read. (Thats especially bad if you are low on time or energy for RL reasons) Someone posting hardly anything? It won't yield info, so why would you bother? I was annoyed about your repeted telling "I'm going to do this" without following up with action. Especially since you were active otherwise. But being annoyed about something is not a good reason for a vote, unless maybe early day 1. We are late day 2. There are much better things to go by.
I will take a look at your ISO. Thanks for leading me there. Your conclusion is noted, but I will go and take a look for myself.
I also appreciate you are upfront about having not much time right now. RL is more important than the game.
Now, your questions:
If there are 4 wolves, there will be at least one in the inactives. Thats something I am willing to bet about. Of those people playing, there are not enough players that raise serious suspicion OR they are unlikely to be a team.
If there are 3 wolves, they could all be active. I doubt it will be two, or else the last wolf would propably ask Cao to surrender. I would do so if I would find me allone versus the whole town.
Xi started in my List of Players I was unwilling to vote for on day 1. The reason was weak: She did not raise any red flags and her posts are very entertaining. Since having fun is important for me, this was enough for me at that monent.
Right now, I read her as town, but I didn't put much attention in a solving way there. I continue to like her Letters and style, but I didn't try to pick them appart for hidden meanings. It did not seem necessary to me, since she is counted as a villager by the majority. I think I said so before, at least I made a mental note about it: Xi feels more like Crazy Idea Xi than PJ Xi.
But your question definitly made me realize I don't know much about her. Right now she is in the comfortable situation of being present and talking without saying much or getting any real attention.
About your vote: It could be a compromise. I think Supagoof is not a good target, since he is quiet. But he is a much better target than anybody compleatly inactive. They will resolve themselves. He won't.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-09-14, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
*sigh* guess we'll just have to find wolves before LyLo so me being the Designated Final Mislynch doesn't come into play.
The point of the maths was to consider the worst-case scenario.
I think I'm starting to lean town on you now, Rogan. Also remember liking some earlier gac3 posts, remind me to look at that tomorrow assuming I'm still alive.
Supagoof, is there some kind of reference I'm missing with "it's probably you"?
Libro
Batcathat/Mr Popo/AV
Xihirli
Rogan/gac3
Emmy/rogue/BW
Supagoof
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Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-14, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-14, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Someone else giggled along and told us of the time in fourth grade when she had chased another girl around a classroom trying to hit her with a pointer. No particular reason. Unfortunately for her, the principal walked in just then. She came home crying from being paddled and lied to her mother. She said the principle had been cruel to her. After winning over her parents, the principal lo and behold, showed up on her doorstep to explain the situation.
When it was my turn, they looked at me with red, expectant eyes.
Emmy's back! Great!
Well, I could be persuaded off of the "kill the silent" wagon as now Emmy is not silent. Supagoof's RL stuff could very well be true but that doesn't make him not a wolf.
Though I do also feel weird about apparently getting a Night Action from Emmy but no chat until just now. Words speak louder than actions, as they say.Spoiler: Check Out my Writing!
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2021-09-14, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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RL is important. Thats an explanation for the few posts. An easy one, but I stand by my point. I will not hold this stuff against you.
Your reply about my post makes a lot of sense. I wasn't very active at start of day 2 since I was at work most of the time. I won't bother to check if it realy was only one post or not. I guess you got a bit unlucky by being one of multiple people doing the same thing. Which might be the reason you were going for me in the first place? Not much info yet, so following the general sentiment?
I hope you will read day 1 propper and give your reads about it when you are done. Or, even better yet: Give me a short list of players you DO trust while you have limited info.
I saw your ISO and skimmed it. Glad you actually did it and especially glad for the conclusion. Not sure about every point you made, I will read it with more attention when I have adressed the other Posts made in the meantime.
The question is another thing I am happy about. It is a good question and the answer will help me reading snow.
(Somehow I didn't include her answer in my quotes, but I don't feel like bothering to change this. I will reply without it.
Since Snow isn't saying one of us has to be a wolf, I have one (egoistical) reason less to suspect BCH right now. This reason didn't factor into my conscious decisionmaking, but it could have influenced me anyway, I'm not sure...
I can't clear you right now, but I will read your day 1 or the summary of snow again and weight it against my feelings about your early day 2.
It's both nice to see you online and bad at the same time. Since you are active, we can talk to you and learn things. This would be impossible if we lynched you or you auto died for your inactivity. But on the other hand, we can't rely on your auto death to avoid wasting a vote.
Can you give us some explanation for your behaviour? I know talking at night is usualy bad, so I avoided it myself this time. But if I had missed day 1 for some reason and only managed to get online night 1, I would at least check into the thread to let everyone know I am still interested in playing the game.
I am going to trust your claim, since this is your usual style. I think, a wolf would not have used the Prince power in this way, unless the other inactive card was something realy good. The wolves know which cards they might get, after all.
Running out of time before I have to eat, so real quick:
I like it you are reacting to my critique and actually commit to voting. It would be even better if it happend before I prompted this, but I don't think you can controll the timeline, do you?
I intend to come back here later.
The part about Emmy is literary the same as my own oppinon. In fact, I wonder if I should edit my post to delete this part, but no. It's not bad to agree about something when you are right.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-09-14, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Sorry for the extensive delays in my participation.
Spoiler: super oog stuff.OOG stuff that super required my attention. I got both kiddos all night, wife is seeing a doctor. I also did the dumb thing which was subbing into something before this game started, so... everything you have seen so far is with my attention completely divided.
I need a current vote count so I will gather it myself.
Basically, the time for nominating suspects is over and it is now time to consolidate.
Both of my top suspects have already claimed Not Princess and so therefore I encourage them to both be voted if you concur with that conclusion, and defend them if you believe they are town.
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2021-09-14, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Did anybody guess what Supagoof's scumslip was or do we have to play 20 questions to get Popo to explain his suspicion?
Still waking up. I like Emmy's claim a bit better than pope's even if Emmy's night action perplexes me. Will sit down for ISOs and stuff when I can.
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Wait no scratch that, Emmy claim is bad too. ArghLast edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-09-14 at 02:28 PM.
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2021-09-14, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, that's fair. I did go into your ISO hoping it'd lead to a vote against either you or Snow (and was leaning towards you, to be honest) but I can't say your argument didn't help motivate me to finally get a vote off. I'm not super confident about either of you (I suppose I sort of subconsciously decided that one of you probably is a wolf, if both of you are that's some good distancing) but it felt like your posts had a few more town leaning things and fewer red flags so I'm okay trusting you at the moment.
Good to know. I don't really consider Emmy's inactivity in itself to be particulary wolfy, whether before or after her belated entrence, since she hasn't really been very active in earlier games. But doing an night action and not even checking into the thread to give a comment, analysis, anything is rather troubling. I was vary about voting Emmy earlier but now I don't know.Last edited by Batcathat; 2021-09-14 at 02:38 PM.
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2021-09-14, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler
Emmy: (5) AvatarVecna, Mr. popo, Xihirli, Book Wombat, gac3
Gac3: (1) Libro
BatCatHat: (1) Rogan
Supagoof: (1) Snowblaze
Snowblaze: (1) BatCatHat
Rogue_Alchemist (1) Supagoof
Book Wombat: (0) unvote
Rogan: (0) unvote, unvote
The votes for Gac3 and Bat and Snowblaze aren't going anywhere today I feel.
As for Supagoof, I endorse Supagoof as a counterwagon to Emmy, but with votes this scattered, I will not move my vote to him.
Currently not voting:
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@gac3
Remember to strike out this vote, please.
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Bear with me, I have had a pretty terrible night.
I need a little bit to actually do all the stuff I promised. This is going to take time.Last edited by Mr Popo; 2021-09-14 at 03:00 PM.
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2021-09-14, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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@gac3
Remember to strike out this vote, please.
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2021-09-14, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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None of this is in any way villagery or solving behavior.
No vote placement, no town reads, no firm beliefs, this is all just anti-spew and the wolf team knew she was going down today, thus, there's really no reason why anyone should get any townie credit for her flip.
If a bus happened, it means absolutely nothing to anyone's alignment.
Mainly myself, Vecna, and blades were able to spot the incriminating stuff last night, and he died, and I'm about to die, and that's a good trade for 1 inactive wolf.
Therefore, we dunk Emmy and I will speak to you all from beyond the grave tomorrow.
And it will absolutely be from me. Because nobody can fake that stuff.
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Nice.
Okay. I will not leave people hanging on the bigger stuff.
No one took a crack at the Supagoof read except himself, and kudos to him for trying but way off.
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Miscounted.
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tally fixed.
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I would appreciate if anyone has the desire to help me, break up my posts that keep getting combined together, so the individual posts do not merge, and can be easily linked.
So the lede does not get buried between walls.
Literally post "ten characters" after I post stuff. If you want.
I'll be here for a few hours.
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Spoiler: Update on libroTechnical note that "off" is passive aggressive, but Libro is lock town due to Countess claim.
Just being super thorough in the one in I dunno how many chance that the Countess was the missing role.
It's basically only a wolf that can counterclaim me in that world, but the way he did it was pretty villagery.
That severely overrides all of whatever this is. Plus, it's literally only possible in that world.
I told you, I am being thorough and open notebook and honest. This tinfoil shouldn't enter your brain until you are literally forced to think it much later down the line if we miss, miss, and miss after hitting a wolf today.Last edited by Mr Popo; 2021-09-14 at 02:51 PM.
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2021-09-14, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-14, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-14, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Not needed, if Libro's claim is legit he does eventually die anyhow.
Better would be to use your power to find the mafia roleblocker roles like the King night one, because it interfered with my power usage.
Now I have a roleblock power to use, but I will be too dead to tell you who I used it on.
Except for one thing.
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2021-09-14, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
That's three people in a row claiming guard (a very small step up from claiming vanillager). At least Emmy was claiming from the gallows, like you're supposed to. That's what, 5 people who have publicly roleclaimed even though we all agreed that mass claiming was a bad idea?
EDIT: Like, basically everybody who's claimed except Libro and maybe Emmy since she claimed as head wagon? Probably shouldn't have claimed, unless they're really sure scumteam already had all that info. Even emmy's claim isn't great on this cuz it's 1) claiming vanillager, and 2) telling wolves where one of the prince roles was, and where one of the guard roles went (although they'll be learning the latter for sure in a few hours regardless).
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I'm looking forward to your messages from beyond the grave, tbhLast edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-09-14 at 03:44 PM.
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2021-09-14, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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At least low activity means quicker ISOs.
Spoiler: ISO on SupagoofI like the shout out to a Knight's Tale (I'm assuming it's deliberate, if not it's kind of even funnier). Not really anything else to comment on.
I too know the pain of people not getting my name right.
The excuse does seem similar to last game, when you were town, so I suppose it checks out (or at least isn't actively wolfy). The claim seems a little random but I'm not really sure how to interpret it.
The reasons seem rather vague, but I've voted someone for less, so...
Could very well be true but not really saying anything about his alignment.
Feels like all of my ISOs have a "trying to make sense of Mr. Popo" section. The idea of Popo and Snow working together might be worth considering.
Spot on comparison, if nothing else.
Voting me for that reason looks okay, reversing it on his own even better. (I think?)
Seems pretty consistent with his earlier poke votes.
I'm not really seeing a lot I dislike but I'm not really seeing a lot I like either. The low activity might be a warning sign in itself but it was the same last game. Goof and Emmy ended up competing wagons for similar reasons and both were town. Hopefully history doesn't repeat (though I'm leaning wolf on Emmy, at least).
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Sure, I realized it wasn't the best use of it (even if I figured there was a slight chance Libro's claim was part of some wolf gambit) but I didn't really have any other good ideas and guessing someone's role at random seemed likely to be worthless.
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2021-09-14, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Location
- Da Goof (x3)..Is On Fire!
- Gender
Re: Love Letter Mafia
I voted - last switch I did was for RogueAlchemist. You missed that Popo.Nevermind. I really should posted as soon as I get done with this one, not when I got back to it.
I could have switched to Emmy - didn't because she had just posted before I did, though it wasn't much of a post and my adding onto her bandwagon offers no insight to me or her at this point.
I do believe that voting for auto-lynch candidates to be a worthwhile town excursion, because intentionally gathering all the information of a day, but not losing 2 people to that day is advantage town. Even when they come and post late in the day.
To answer you Rogan - my ISO list is still everyone, as I don't trust anyone yet.
I can see alliances being formed with Mr Popo's safe list. He does assure a way to the promised land of the town victory with it. Then again, the builders of the Titanic assured a safe trip across the Atlantic...
At this point, I'm not standing in his way. I don't even mind being on the suspect list. Would be a reason for the wolves to not night kill me, making the assumption that I will likely be lynched tomorrow. Then again, could be wolfish behavior to say that to give a reason as to why I wasn't night killed if I was a wolf (which I'm not).
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2021-09-14, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2021
- Location
- The Lookout
Re: Love Letter Mafia
SpoilerEvery person shall claim what they will at the time of their choosing, no more, no less.
Even though, yes, there is no point in mass claiming particularly under no pressure.
But there is also no point in doing what Bat did as a wolf here. It just gets more attention on you for flinching a bit, when there was no real momentum on them in the first place.
So, what i do as town is I try to find my suspects townie.
No matter how hard it is.
No matter how wolfy they look. No matter how doomed they seem.
Spoiler: Example exampleFor example, in War of Princes, a mafia versus mafia versus town game, I had just finished executing a wolf from one faction day 2, and the next day, a different wolf from a different faction claimed a guilty cop check on someone who had voted to try to save that doomed wolf I killed.
But, this was after I asked everyone to mass claim fake cop results.
There's no point in everyone fake claiming cop results if someone claims a guilty peek and then everyone immediately unclaims and follows the "cop".
So I told everyone to maintain cop cover, and I explained that the first wolf was so doomed, there was no swing in win odds for the wolf team if they tried to save him. In fact, it would have doomed their entire faction had they tried it.
I was right, person who had tried to save my doomed wolf D2 and was checked guilty by the only cop who claimed a guilty check, was innocent, for the reasons I stated.
No matter how wolfy they look, how are they town?
So I just dove Emmy Necromancer's past several games.
In one, she was busy and town and specifically requested to be auto lynched.
In another she was town and played it out, though not particularly active.
In another she was a neutral and played it out quite a bit.
In all of these, she posted day one, and placed a vote, I believe. Skimmed quickly.
Now, I believe she is mainly a mechanics and claims type player, as most of her posts focus on her own claiming, and others claiming, and making a few posts a day maximum.
Sure, that can generically look like the behavior of this game.
2 posts on day 2, both revolving entirely around claims and mechanics.
Not posting anything on night one to say hi, I guess that can happen sometimes. I doubt it from townies, but I have seen townies do wolfier things.
Of the two posts on day 2, the claim where she claims her role, she does not use her role in a way that can be verified by any other player.
If she had used her power on another player that would be confirmable evidence they are either lying together, or it happened.
So the fact that she used her power in a nonconfirmable way indicates to me the claim is fake.
And trying to gain the unused guard ability makes sense, if the claim is true, if she expected to be alive night 2 to use that power.
Given how everyone suspected her and she has done nothing about that, I doubt she sincerely believes that was ever going to happen.
Her second post attempts to make it seem like she has not followed the events of the thread.
Which I also do not buy from her.
In short, it is all wolfy stuff, and also, designed to limit the damage to her team.
And in the event I am wrong, this is also the least bad execution we have.
Because she also claimed to not be the Princess, and there is no way to confirm her ability, and because she is widely suspected, this will help us move on even when it is wrong.
But I don't like to be wrong, so I meta dove her, and I think she played out this game because she has wolf mates she doesn't want to let down.
At least tanking a day arrest keeps the rest of them alive, and then they can shut me up and hunt the rest of you without me yapping about it.
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Mainly, she is a wolf because active n1 but never checking in, never addressing it, but that can be incidental. Not everyone checks in when they can, sadly.
However, she decided to use her night action to not even verify her own location, which is the bare minimum townie behavior you can do with that.
She also decided to vote no one, which attacks no suspects and defends no townies, and wins only when you have a night kill.
As such, she is guilty.
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Supagoof, focus on all the other players in the game.
Your best defense is slamming a dunk case on a wolf.
I have gotten a feel for your personality and posting style this game, since you have posted.
I like you. A lot. You remind me a lot of Zander, which means nothing to you.
You're laid back and have a super chill attitude. You don't mind pressure. That's all cool, dude.
I love being able to just directly talk to someone I suspect and say why, and have em treat it like an adult would. If wrong, it's a wrong guess in a guessing game that will be over in a couple weeks max. Who cares.
Still, as much as I cherish your personality, I have to scum case you in a second.
and, of course, since that is meaningless to you today, and if you have a way of mechanically verifying yourself, it matters not tomorrow, since you have literally all day to defend, you can avoid being arrested if you can even if my guessing game guess on you is wrong.
I do guess wrong, we've seen it happen already.Last edited by Mr Popo; 2021-09-14 at 03:59 PM.