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2021-11-27, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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If there are two wolves left, then we started Day 2 4v4 and we didn't lose because of the tie, so presumably we also won't lose tomorrow if it's 2v2, and that's assuming one of them doesn't die tonight due to the mysterious night kill mechanics. Like "if they don't have a majority, AV randomly kills one of them"? Tbh though I would have expected that to be part of the role description then. Still, I'm thinking "woops" is an acceptable way to find out there were two more wolves
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2021-11-27, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why do you keep talking about "mysterious" night kill mechanic? What is the issue with an explanation that it works exactly as it is presented in the role given to us? 2 votes out of (hopefully) 3 -> dead. There is a balancing act where it is good to have a single vote on a possible wolf (to find out for sure) but not two votes.
It's one thing to say "I want to look for other possible causes", but is something wrong with my explanation?
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2021-11-27, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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No comment.
Also why it is a separate post?
1) If the posts were made within an hour of each other, they get melded into one post with an "updated" line, like what happened in the post I'm quoting.
2) If the posts were made more than an hour apart from each other, they will be separate posts.
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2021-11-27, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-28, 06:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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We're 11 hours late? And with AV being active ~26 hours after the initial night post. I hope it's nothing serious.
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2021-11-28, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-28, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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End Of Night Three
It's so aggravating that even with everyone dead and gone, the saboteurs still work to keep their names unfairly clear. Another soul is unjustly taken in the night by these clueless inspectors.
Saint-Just has died. They were a Vanillager.
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2021-11-28, 01:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-28, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Welp, I'm alive.
First priority: look over the bastard mechanic talk from day one, work out who looks like they might be trying to say "Hi partners, I'm a wolf too!"
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Same, it's just I have far too many tabs open so I don't always notice this one.
Not that I'd actually forget a game. Forget what's going on and all my reads? Uh, maybe.
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There's nothing really obvious about the bastard mechanic discussion other than Moonfly saying "hi, I'm a wolf!". Noting that Taffimai started it, though.
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Wombat, can you explain your thought processes on deciding which of Supagoof/Caoimhin to vote day two?I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
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2021-11-29, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nice to know everyone's active and busy solving now it's MyLo.
I think I can construct a plausible wolf!Taffimai world but I haven't looked at stuff in detail yet and it might be just it's easier because she's more active than the others
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2021-11-29, 05:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm sorry, the killing of Saint-Just threw me quite a bit and I had to rethink.
Yes, I too can find plenty of internal inconsistencies and contradictions in the posts of the most active player, and then there's the vote-hopping But I think I was spot on Day 2 when I said that if Snow stays alive long enough, she becomes the easiest mislynch ever. That's probably the reason we're both still here, that our wolf hopes we'll spend so much time picking at each other that they'll be able to slip by unnoticed.
So that brings us to our two barely-actives. If I could, I'd just lynch them both and be done with it. Caoimhin suspected Wombat, and his instincts were right about Supagoof. Gac thought Flame looked off, but that was a long time ago.
Wombat's posts are annoyingly odd, maybe too attention-grabbing for a wolf? Flame's are perfectly bland, and the problem is that we can't compare them to how they usually play because it's their first time, but there's no unwritten rule against being a wolf your first time playing. I'm leaning towards Flame, for the very meta reason that for literally everybody else who was alive last night, they would have been the best choice for a kill (and we're dealing with a wolf who chose Libro night 1).78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
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2021-11-29, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Elaborate on why flame is an optimal kill? I would never kill one of flame/BW as a wolf in this position.
Also how do we know wolves chose to kill Libro night one? You agreed with me that there's some other mechanic that killed Moonfly so why couldn't that also have been what killed Libro.
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Oh yeah, also if we have any more PRs they should just claim, this being MyLo. (Yes, this is me explicitly claiming vanillager.)
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Also am I correct in assuming you thought SJ was the wolf before his death?
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Skimmed through BW and flame's ISOs. Surprise, surprise, they're both dead null.
I probably need to ISO Taffimai but, as usual, I don't particularly want to. Maybe this afternoon?I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
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2021-11-29, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Vanillager here, not that a PR in my hands would do us much good. I'm inclined towards book after rereading the earlier posts, mostly cause I've gotten strong town reads off snow all game and taff has been too active. They might just be relying on that to stay alive, but unless anyone else has anything to put forwards I feel like books random votes before fading out of sight is the most wolf actions I'm seeing.
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2021-11-29, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going through these in a different order because that's easier.
Same here.
My guess was that if the wolves don't reach a majority, one of them is killed. Moonfly was a wolf, Libro was not. It seems a bit too helpful that they'd get rewarded with a villager death for not coordinating. I, as a narrator, would've gone with "feedback, but no kill".
Because the wolf wants to increase their own chances of survival by leaving those people alive who will be the most likely to be suspected? Remember, for the wolf it doesn't matter who gets lynched today, so long as it isn't them.
Then I have misjudged you. So: why not and who would you have killed instead?
I actually thought it was the two of you and I was being set up. I mean......this is only their exact role description, paraphrased. Must've read the same site that AV got her inspiration from.78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
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2021-11-29, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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I guess I'd automatically go to "kill an active player over a quiet one" because the active players have a better chance of figuring me out and getting me killed. Also because... this is probably just a me thing but I think if there's two inactives people are more likely to say "it's just one of the inactives" compared to if there's one where people are more likely to go after an active player.
I don't really know which of you/SJ I'd kill here. SJ is harder to plausibly push but probably less likely to come after me than you... though the easy route for wolf!me is to just go after the inactives rather than getting into a debate with you.
Also can you briefly point out a few of those "internal inconsistencies and contradictions" in my posts, please?
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2021-11-29, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-11-29, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's less "Taff is town because they're active" and more "who looks most suspicious at this exact moment."
I've had a town read on you since day one, despite the hiccup in the middle where you voted for the seer, so that leaves me taff and book. Taff has been consistently helpful and analytical, while book has mostly skated through on anonymity. It's shaky logic at best, but I feel like the final wolf is gonna be someone who played the most cautious of the three, and so I have to compare them to goof and moon, and book just comes out looking more like a wolf to me than taff does in that comparison.
Edit: also, new guy question here, ISO? Not a term I'm familiar with, could I get the quick version?Last edited by flame12; 2021-11-29 at 10:16 AM.
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2021-11-29, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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...I had none? Was honestly just sticking to my first vote out of hope, wasn't sure of either.
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ISO means Isolation as in looking at one player's posts only, without context I think.
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2021-11-29, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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ftr BW'S posts this game fit with town!him and are pretty different to SK!him last game. Though there's no wolf games for comparison purposes.
...I was really hoping I could get to a wolfread on one of the inactives so I wouldn't have to figure out Taffimai. No such luck.
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Missed this earlier. I mean, I don't know that it would have much purpose as it would just be me quoting a load of posts and saying "NAI" for each of them.
I have given my thoughts on Wombat slightly more depth, though.
Speaking of whom, Wombat, if you were a wolf who would you have killed last night?
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2021-11-29, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Taffimai ISO, part oneSo she's either town or a wolf. Extremely informative.
Getting wagons going is good, but not unfakeable especially when wolf!Taffimai wouldn't know Supagoof is her partner. I am mildly suspicious of starting the bastard mechanic conversation as it provides an easy way for wolves to breadcrumb their identities, as demonstrated by moonfly.
If I squint I could get to a wolfread for thinking there's three wolves, but her explanation is fair and there's no reason to disbelieve it.
Mechanics, NAI.
Soft defence of moonfly. I'm working under the assumption that wolf!Taffimai would have picked up on Moonfly's talk about the bastard mechanic and so be aware Moonfly is her partner.
(Note to self: look at this post with the context of the quoted posts to work out the rest. Not finding it *that* strongl
Reads list is decent. Not seeing anything massively towny, or any smoking guns other than "why isn't she voting for gac or moonfly".
...not a fan. A moonfly vote would be the more logical conclusion from her reads list. And voting gac "to check whether I'm bussing" is... okay, maybe that's a me thing and not an actual wolf tell.
I was referring to being nightkilled, not lynched.
...eh, wanting to vote moonfly is good. Is it good enough to poke holes in my theory? I need to go back and check what my reads/thread consensus were at the time.
NAI.
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I wish, lol.
Taffimai (sorry for firing so many questions at you), do you think there's anything that you've done or that has happened that wouldn't have happened if you're a wolf, and if so what?
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That's a really badly worded question. Let's try again.
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2021-11-29, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: As promised- Moonfly joke-votes AV
- Saint-Just joke-votes AV, quantifies they’ll make a proper vote later (maybe)
- You state that you’d rather have a non-narrator wagon
- Flame agrees that he’d rather have a non-narrator wagon
- I agree that I’d rather have a non-narrator wagon
- You ask me to elaborate
- I go into detail about when I’d want to lynch the narrator
- Moonfly quantifies they’ll make a proper vote later
- You call Moonfly’s statement “unprompted”, even though it was much less so than Saint-Just’s
Now, I have to concede that your instincts were correct, but it’s still inconsistent. You have to forgive me, I’ve spent the past several irl days actively looking at the interactions between you and Saint-Just for signs of a wolf-duo and it’s still not completely out of my system.
- You tell Gac that voting AV is NAI
- Gac votes AV
- You tell Gac that voting AV is not pro-town
- Gac explains he is curious what happens if he votes AV
- Voting AV is now even more anti-town
The inconsistency here is that in every argument, your estimation of the inherent towniness of voting AV changes, rather than that you address the differing circumstances. It comes across as “voting AV is fine, except when you do it”.
- You mention a preference for a particular lynch because it also gives info on a town flip
- You twice try to convince Caoimhin to vote based on the town flip providing more info
- You vote someone “just to see where it goes”
- I question you for not voting the way that would’ve yielded the most information, even on a town flip
- You claim not to vote based on the info that a town flip could give
Basically you reject my reasoning even though it’s essentially the same as what you’ve used yourself before.
Sorry for only giving three, but these are way more time intensive than they're worth. I'm not trying to convince anyone to lynch you, I'm trying to make up my mind between Flame and Wombat.
On that point: how is Wombat's behaviour now not wolf? He drops in, twice, giving non-committal answers and without any input on either of our reasoning (let alone coming up with some of himself). To me, that looks like someone hanging back to see which way the wind blows: if you decide to vote me, he'll agree in order to save himself. If I vote Flame, he'll also agree in order to save himself.
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2021-11-30, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks for that. I'll try and make a decision soon.
I guess it's just that this is pretty normal behaviour for town!BW. I think it was Percy Jackson where I asked for his reads and he said he didn't have any, and he was town then.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
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2021-11-30, 03:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Turns out making a decision is hard. Shocking.
Every time I think I've convinced myself Taffimai is one alignment I come up with an argument for her being the other.
I'm... not overly inspired by my inconsistencies.Spoiler: Thoughts on thoseThere's a lot of taking my posts out of context that I was taking into account even if I didn't clearly explain "here is the context that makes me read these similar actions differently" and the last point is saying I made an argument I never did.
The first quoted post on that part is me saying "we should lynch a player, not the narrator, because that would give us more information". And I'm not trying to convince Caoimhin to vote anywhere based on getting information. Caoimhin was arguing that we should kill Supagoof for information, I was arguing that I didn't think that was the best way of getting information.
But I don't know how much of what I said is evident from my posts and how much is only obvious to someone living in my head.
Going to look through the context of late day one again. Maybe that will give me some clarity. Probably not.
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No clarity. I did actually say "Taffimai could be partners with moonfly" just before she promised to vote them with me given town!gac.
Aaaa, I keep thinking "but why wouldn't she go after this townie" and then realising that she probably didn't know the person in question was town and I can't actually reconstruct who a hypothetical wolf!Taffimai would be thinking of as a partner. What a bastard mechanic.
More questions, Taffimai! Can you explain how you got to "Snow and I are both town and have been left alive to argue with each other" from thinking it was me/SJ?
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I was going to talk about reasons to townread Taffimai but then I realised it's a bad idea because it's just giving wolf!her hints on how to answer my question about why she's town.Last edited by Snowblaze; 2021-11-30 at 03:49 AM.
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2021-11-30, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ok I've tried to look at myself as an outsider (which is surprisingly hard), and when it comes to events that actually had an impact on the game, the best I can say is this: I have broken the ties in the first two votes. Yes, I realise that "look at how I condemned a townie and our seeer" is a weird reason for claiming town, but it is. Sticking your neck out like that and accepting the risk of being held accountable for it is definitely pro-town, as shown in the voting patterns of our two known wolves. Apart from that there's a lot of "this post makes me look bad and as a wolf, I'd have been more careful to avoid that".
Which brings me to:Look at the order of the Day 2 votes. We know our wolf is in there, so who is it? The one who started it (dead - town), the one who tied the votes, the one who broke the tie, the one who consolidated the vote, or the one who followed the majority?
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A lot of it was tied up with you two being a duo that found each other early. Since this exchange:
...is a non-event, a lot of the rest fell flat. Plus, Monty Hall.78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
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2021-11-30, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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...so I didn't break a tie at all, I pushed the seeer, great
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But at least we don't have to worry about a vote manipulator today, I guess.
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I need to go soon and I'll only be back an hour or so before EoD, so I'm going to ask some questions myself:
@Flame, how did you not notice that?
@Wombat, please vote first this time and say why.
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Eh... I still don't know. On the one hand it could be town genuinely confused, on the other it could be a genuinely confused wolf. So neither, sorry.
And we need to vote soon and I still don't know who to vote for.
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@flame
Why should I not vote for you ("because I'm town" is not a valid answer; explain why) and/or who should I vote instead?I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
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