The OOTS Reprint Drive at Kickstarter: Pledge now to get exclusive rewards!

[SteveDJ]

I keep forgetting to ask this -- what happened to the stick-figure-family sticker/cling thing -- and could it be added to the rewards (not for free - but just as a new option)?

[WampaX]

I keep forgetting to ask this -- what happened to the stick-figure-family sticker/cling thing -- and could it be added to the rewards (not for free - but just as a new option)?

It is still in the CafePress OotS storefront here
http://www.cafepress.com/orderofthestick/8206142

And it would probably be cost prohibitive (margin too slim) to add them as a reward anywhere near what Cafe Press is selling them for.

[Mary]

And it would probably be cost prohibitive (margin too slim) to add them as a reward anywhere near what Cafe Press is selling them for.


Ahhh thanks for posting that. Will need to order the magnet version.

[Pheldagriff]

it is a shame that you have to have a credit card to pledge.
why u no support paypal?
I actually only know two people who have a credit card.

[Elder Tsofu]

it is a shame that you have to have a credit card to pledge.
why u no support paypal?
I actually only know two people who have a credit card.

Apparently they wont provide the service kickstarter requires for its business.

[bluewurm]

FYI to anyone who wants any of the CafePress OOTS stuff, cafe press has free shipping on $50 orders from 2/2 to 2/8.

[Xapi]

I keep forgetting to ask this -- what happened to the stick-figure-family sticker/cling thing -- and could it be added to the rewards (not for free - but just as a new option)?

As all Café Press items, they are print on demand, and therefore extremely expensive.

Re: Paypal: It's likely they don't allow people to "pledge" without charging instantaneously, maybe that's why KS won't use it.

[Porthos]

it is a shame that you have to have a credit card to pledge.
why u no support paypal?
I actually only know two people who have a credit card.

Just go to a local store (or bank if you have to) and buy a Gift Card (might be called something else in your country) for the amount you want to pledge (factoring in shipping, natch) and away you go.

Gift Cards are technically Debit Cards. And Debit Cards are usually OK if they have a VISA/MasterCard/AmEx/et etc logo on them. It just depends on if Amazon wants to accept it or not.

[Pheldagriff]

thanks for that info about gift cards. I had no idea that such a thing existed. $10 pledge, here I come.

this post is definitely not meant to be sarcastic. I really had no idea and am grateful to now know about this possability. kudos

[Porthos]

thanks for that info about gift cards. I had no idea that such a thing existed. $10 pledge, here I come.

this post is definitely not meant to be sarcastic. I really had no idea and am grateful to now know about this possability. kudos

Glad to be of help. :smallsmile: Just make sure that you get a card with a VISA/MasterCard/et etc logo and not a $10 card that is for a specific store only (like Joe's Random Supermarket :smallwink:).

For some reason Amazon doesn't accept the later. :smalltongue:

[bjornthedwarf]

Something I had been thinking about, for as awesome as this drive has been for the Giant (Money!) and us (Stuff!), it's really got a bigger affect than just that.

The Giant's printer is going to get a several hundred thousand dollar order for OotS books that they wouldn't normally receive. I'm pretty sure he uses an independent printer, and that's probably a chunk of business that matters to them.

Ookadook has to be getting their regular cut of the books, as they are handling the logistics of mailing out thousands of reward packages. By the time this is done, that could easily be an additional 10,000 book sales for them that they normally wouldn't make in one shot. And some of those orders are people who wouldn't have ever ordered a book at all, if they hadn't been swept up in this.

There may be other vendors getting orders from The Giant by the time this is done (depends on whether the book printer does stuff like stickers and notebooks), depending on what the other rewards are.

And finally, this has probably introduced new people to OotS who had never read it before. Even if they don't pledge anything, some of the people who have been linked on Twitter, Reddit, BoingBoing or some of the smaller blogs may become regular readers.

The love of this is really spread around, if you think about it.

[factotum]

But then there is the specifics of this situation. This is a graph about money. Piling up. At an astounding rate. Enough that soon Rich will be able to behave like Haley (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0188.html). The graph should do justice to this, my other half (the one that is giddy with the excitement of it all) insists.


Surely, though, the graph loses some of its impact when you have to keep scrolling it? The current one occupies almost two vertical pages on my 1920x1080 monitor, and since the truly incredible thing about it (IMHO) is the almost uninterrupted steepness of the line, you need to be able to see that at a glance to get the full effect!

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Surely, though, the graph loses some of its impact when you have to keep scrolling it? The current one occupies almost two vertical pages on my 1920x1080 monitor, and since the truly incredible thing about it (IMHO) is the almost uninterrupted steepness of the line, you need to be able to see that at a glance to get the full effect!

Not for a graph like this, no. The very fact that the line just keeps going is an indicator of how much money has been made in such a small period of time. If the graph was at a more regular 45º angle, yes, you'd be absolutely right: the information conveyed would be the same whether it was one screen or two, with one being more conveniently displayed. But for a quasi-vertical graph like this, the information conveyed should be (and is) one of amazing growth, and the taller the graph, the better.

Note that it wouldn't work if he had started with the graph this tall, or if he changed the scale to be even larger. It works because you can start at the bottom and see the graph just keep getting taller and taller.

Again, it might just be the almost-repressed artistic/poetic part of me, but I feel it is like when you stand under the archway of a cathedral. The roof could be held lower and the building would still be functional, but there is a thing of beauty in the size of it that doesn't work at other proportions.

Now I'm just getting mushy, though. Sorry.

Grey Wolf

[YohanLeafheart]

A kids coloring book!!! I need to get a bunch in preparation for the next generation!

[RMS Oceanic]

Update!

Order of the Stick Colouring Book with Elan and Thog? I'm all over that! :smallbiggrin:

[VinRaven]

Again, it might just be the almost-repressed artistic/poetic part of me, but I feel it is like when you stand under the archway of a cathedral. The roof could be held lower and the building would still be functional, but there is a thing of beauty in the size of it that doesn't work at other proportions.

Except that we read from top to bottom, not from bottom to top.

In other words, the first thing we see is the current totals, then we have to scroll down a screen for the first gag, scroll through another now long surpassed goal screen, before finally getting to the bottom of the graph and the last gag.

It's a fun skit, but seeing it all in one shot will be better...

[YohanLeafheart]

Except that we read from top to bottom, not from bottom to top.

In other words, the first thing we see is the current totals, then we have to scroll down a screen for the first gag, scroll through another now long surpassed goal screen, before finally getting to the bottom of the graph and the last gag.

It's a fun skit, but seeing it all in one shot will be better...

And even at the new scale it is still a huge graph. And down goes Roy :D

[Grey_Wolf_c]

It's a fun skit, but seeing it all in one shot will be better...

You're out of luck, then, at least for this first update of the new graph scale. You still have to scroll down past at least one screen to see all the jokes.

:smalltongue:

GW

[MaximKat]

Uh-oh... Poor Elan.

[WampaX]

It's a fun skit, but seeing it all in one shot will be better...

The one shots were over by about update 6.
Think of it more as a limited series.

Also,
The story works if you scroll all the way to the bottom and then work your way back up. You'll have to kajigger your reading of the posts themselves, but the graph comic still functions when read bottom to top.

[Elder Tsofu]

I would think it is even more impressive if it is so large you have to scroll to see it all.

[Xargon]

I just hope the coloring book won't change shipping costs. War and XPs + Snips fits into a $10 (international) envelope, but supposedly not much more, as two of the compilation books already require a box... but I suppose they will at least ask if it would increase the shipping cost.

[Gift Jeraff]

Elan and Thog starring in a colouring book? I don't know if Mystery Prize #4 could beat that.

[Chess435]

And we're at page 60. I'm surprised the mod SWAT team hasn't come in and shut this thread down yet to make a new one.

[Kobold-Bard]

So apparently I hate fun.

Meh.

[Exediron]

Okay, I missed a a couple of data points so my new chart is jumping straight to 6,040 backers. I really wish there was some way to reliably get a measurement at even points, but that's just my OCD talking :smalltongue:

6040 backers / 425,106 dollars
Average Pledge: $70

{TABLE]Level|Backers|Money|Percent Backers|Percent Money
$10|1,396|$13,960|23.1%|3.28%
$14|299|$4,186|4.95%|0.98%
$25|834|$20,850|13.8%|4.90%
$26|297|$7,722|4.91%|1.81%
$29|110|$3,190|1.82%|0.75%
$35|247|$8,645|4.08%|2.03%
$37|60|$2,220|0.99%|0.52%
$38|25|$950|0.41%|0.22%
$42|45|$1,890|0.74%|0.44%
$43|46|$1,978|0.76%|0.46%
$45|326|$14,670|5.39%|3.45%
$50|25|$1,250|0.41%|0.29%
$52|30|$1,560|0.49%|0.36%
$57|30|$1,710|0.49%|0.40%
$60|25|$1,500|0.41%|0.35%
$61|75|$4,575|1.24%|1.07%
$62|63|$3,906|1.04%|0.91%
$65|35|$2,275|0.57%|0.53%
$67|467|$31,289|7.73%|7.36%
$68|294|$19,992|4.37%|4.70%
$78|84|$6,552|1.39%|1.54%
$79|88|$6,952|1.45%|1.63%
$83|25|$2,075|0.41%|0.48%
$84|10|$840|0.16%|0.19%
$87|63|$5,481|1.04%|1.28%
$92|35|$3,220|0.57%|0.75%
$94|189|$17,766|3.12%|4.17%
$96|30|$2,880|0.49%|0.67%
$100|10|$1,000|0.16%|0.23%
$139|102|$14,168|1.68%|3.33%
$192|27|$5,184|0.44%|1.21%
$222|479|$106,338|7.93%|25.0%
$240|15|$3,600|0.24%|0.84%
$250|50|$12,500|0.82%|2.94%
$262|30|$7,860|0.49%|1.86%
$305|25|$7,625|0.41%|1.79%
$575|15|$8,625|0.24%|2.02%
$600|5|$3,000|0.08%|0.70%
$1,250|3|$3,750|0.04%|0.88%
$5,000|1|$5,000|0.01%|1.17%[/TABLE]
Lines in bold are limited rewards.

No Level: 50 (0.82% of backers)
Above Level: $52,372 (12.3% of funds)
Not surprisingly, there's a lot of big differences from the last one. A few points which stood out to me:


The $222 level now accounts for an astonishing quarter of all funds gathered from the pledge drive, even counting above-level pledges. It is also the 3rd most popular level, and almost $200 more than either of the levels above it ($25 and $10).
The percentage of backers selecting no reward level has almost doubled; I never can figure out where these guys come from.
The percentage of funds pledged above level has been steadily going down since the beginning, and this trend is continued here. I think a factor is that the $222 level is so popular and there's basically nothing to add to it.
The percentage of backers at the base $10 level has also been steadily going down, and for percentage of funds it has been overtaken my most of the other popular categories.
The $67 Print-only Special level remains the most popular mid-range workhorse category, although it has actually been passed by the Whole Run for total number of backers.
The average pledge not counting the top 9 backers is ~$68.50.
The $25 art print level is more popular than I expected, with about 1 out of every 6 people who pledged going for that level.

Apparently the siren call of a complete collection of books in one go is hard for many people to resist; I should know :smallwink:

Something which I do find interesting is that there haven't been any new rewards added which generated a new level or required most people to up their pledges for over $100,000, yet the funds continue to pour in at the same rate. Although the fact that the latest rewards are tied to a book or art print level may have something to do with the recent surge of $25 pledges.

...After previewing the post for error checking, I noticed that apparently I've missed an update. So expect everything above to be quite possibly out of date by the time you read it.

PS: Does anybody know a way to get the forum to recognize text which is already in bold when copied in? I do these tables in Word and then copy paste them with the correct formatting, but I have to add the bold tags manually, which is annoying.

EDIT: Does anybody else think we'll be past $500,000 well before Rich updates again? :smallbiggrin:

[Whiffet]

OOTS coloring book??

I want three!

[Manga Maniac]

And as of this recent update, I am now receiving two colouring books.

Obviously my only option at this point is to have a child with someone so I can pass on the colouring book. Don't suppose there's any lonely hearts out there...

I'm keeping the second colouring book for myself, naturally.

[VinRaven]

The one shots were over by about update 6.
Think of it more as a limited series.

I meant in a single glance.


Also,
The story works if you scroll all the way to the bottom and then work your way back up. You'll have to kajigger your reading of the posts themselves, but the graph comic still functions when read bottom to top.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thoroughly enjoying the bit, but having to scroll through multiple pages to see it is sort of like reading a physical comic and having to try to look at three different pages at the same time.

[CoffeeIncluded]

I was probably way more excited about the coloring book than a person my age should be. Eh, I don't care.

[Elder Tsofu]

Put bold-tags in the word text, you only need to do it once. You can just copy the forum-formatted post into word from the edit screen and update that one.

[AnarchistMuffin]

Dropped $36 on it, thought I'd re-reg with the forums. It's about time I put some money towards something I've loved for a long time.

[Spacewolf]

Looks like elan could be in trouble as well as a colouring book huh

[Porthos]

Something which I do find interesting is that there haven't been any new rewards added which generated a new level or required most people to up their pledges for over $100,000, yet the funds continue to pour in at the same rate. Although the fact that the latest rewards are tied to a book or art print level may have something to do with the recent surge of $25 pledges.

Nitpick: 100 more copies of SS&DT were made available overnight. :smallsmile:

And, yes, I am quite sure that upgrading from $10/$14 to $25/$26 is driving a lot of the money. The Art Print, for instance, was around the mid 400s before the update path appeared, and now it is nearly double that (mid 800s).

[Elder Tsofu]

Nitpick: 100 more copies of SS&DT were made available overnight. :smallsmile:

I was under the impression that reward-levels couldn't be changed when someone had pledged on them which is why we have the chaotic system we have.

[Flame of Anor]

Let's hope poor Roy has a better way of arresting his fall this time...

[tomorrowboy]

Is there a list of what the rewards everyone is getting are? I've lost track of what I'll actually be receiving in the mail/online.

[Tanuki Tales]

Ho-hum...

Guess we won't be seeing T-shirts and mugs as add ons. So much for me getting the poster for free.

[Whiffet]

I was probably way more excited about the coloring book than a person my age should be. Eh, I don't care.

What are you talking about? Sure, at first people get less interested in coloring as they grow older, but they hit the lowest point somewhere around 12 (it varies quite a bit) and then coloring becomes more and more fun again. :smallbiggrin: Most people I know love coloring, even the ones who haven't noticed that it's cool again and are trying to keep it secret.

[WampaX]

I meant in a single glance.
--
Don't get me wrong, I'm thoroughly enjoying the bit, but having to scroll through multiple pages to see it is sort of like reading a physical comic and having to try to look at three different pages at the same time.

Well,
Rich is doing what Rich has been acknowledged by the Museum of Comic and Cartoon Art for doing well . . . Infinite Canvas (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0443.html). (That was also the name of the exhibit, too.)

And I don't mind a little scrolling to get to a joke. :smallbiggrin:

[factotum]

I was under the impression that reward-levels couldn't be changed when someone had pledged on them which is why we have the chaotic system we have.

The reason for the chaos is that the Giant decided to offer a whole shedload of book combinations to try and cover every possible eventuality, it had nothing to do with ability or otherwise to extend existing pledge levels.

[Manga Maniac]

@factotum: He tried to do that back when there were only about two books getting reprinted. He'd have changed it to something more like "select a book", but he can't alter existing pledges.

[HeadlessMermaid]

I'm reposting Exediron's amazing table using a header. (Head? Header? A whatchamacallit, in any case.) That way, you can sort by backers, money, percent etc.

6040 backers / 425,106 dollars
Average Pledge: $70

{TABLE=head]Level|Backers|Money|Percent Backers|Percent Money
$10|1,396|$13,960|23.1%|3.28%
$14|299|$4,186|4.95%|0.98%
$25|834|$20,850|13.8%|4.90%
$26|297|$7,722|4.91%|1.81%
$29|110|$3,190|1.82%|0.75%
$35|247|$8,645|4.08%|2.03%
$37|60|$2,220|0.99%|0.52%
$38|25|$950|0.41%|0.22%
$42|45|$1,890|0.74%|0.44%
$43|46|$1,978|0.76%|0.46%
$45|326|$14,670|5.39%|3.45%
$50|25|$1,250|0.41%|0.29%
$52|30|$1,560|0.49%|0.36%
$57|30|$1,710|0.49%|0.40%
$60|25|$1,500|0.41%|0.35%
$61|75|$4,575|1.24%|1.07%
$62|63|$3,906|1.04%|0.91%
$65|35|$2,275|0.57%|0.53%
$67|467|$31,289|7.73%|7.36%
$68|294|$19,992|4.37%|4.70%
$78|84|$6,552|1.39%|1.54%
$79|88|$6,952|1.45%|1.63%
$83|25|$2,075|0.41%|0.48%
$84|10|$840|0.16%|0.19%
$87|63|$5,481|1.04%|1.28%
$92|35|$3,220|0.57%|0.75%
$94|189|$17,766|3.12%|4.17%
$96|30|$2,880|0.49%|0.67%
$100|10|$1,000|0.16%|0.23%
$139|102|$14,168|1.68%|3.33%
$192|27|$5,184|0.44%|1.21%
$222|479|$106,338|7.93%|25.0%
$240|15|$3,600|0.24%|0.84%
$250|50|$12,500|0.82%|2.94%
$262|30|$7,860|0.49%|1.86%
$305|25|$7,625|0.41%|1.79%
$575|15|$8,625|0.24%|2.02%
$600|5|$3,000|0.08%|0.70%
$1,250|3|$3,750|0.04%|0.88%
$5,000|1|$5,000|0.01%|1.17%[/TABLE]
Lines in bold are limited rewards.

No Level: 50 (0.82% of backers)
Above Level: $52,372 (12.3% of funds)

[Porthos]

I was under the impression that reward-levels couldn't be changed when someone had pledged on them which is why we have the chaotic system we have.

He can't take off the fact that it is limited and he can't change the wording of the pledge. But he can change the amount that is limited.

[bjornthedwarf]

What are you talking about? Sure, at first people get less interested in coloring as they grow older, but they hit the lowest point somewhere around 12 (it varies quite a bit) and then coloring becomes more and more fun again. :smallbiggrin: Most people I know love coloring, even the ones who haven't noticed that it's cool again and are trying to keep it secret.

For Christmas this year, a bunch of family colored and cooked shrinky-dink ornaments. They were from like the 80s, and were found in the bottom of a drawer at my wife's grandmother's house. It was a blast! The youngest person at the table was 17, and the next youngest was 34. So yeah, a bunch of adults coloring shinky-dinks.

Speaking of which, I would take OotS shrinky-dinks!

[ella ventic]

Speaking of which, I would take OotS shrinky-dinks!

SECOND. That would be AMAZING.

[WampaX]

Is there a list of what the rewards everyone is getting are? I've lost track of what I'll actually be receiving in the mail/online.

Lets see . . .
If you are a generous sort and would like the snazzy art print for $25.
In addition to this you will get:
1 Roy Magnet
1 PDF of O-Chuul
1 PDF of Julio Scoundrel's follow-up tale
1 PDF of Dim Sun
1 PDF of Sir Francois and the Dragon
3 PDFs of backer selected stories
1 Sheet of Stickers
1 Hit Point Pad
1 Set of Desktop/ mobile device Wallpapers in various sizes
And if we get to it,
1 Coloring Book

Drop the Art Print, Hit Point Pad, Stickers, and Coloring Book if you only wish to donate $10

[Exediron]

Nitpick: 100 more copies of SS&DT were made available overnight. :smallsmile:

And, yes, I am quite sure that upgrading from $10/$14 to $25/$26 is driving a lot of the money. The Art Print, for instance, was around the mid 400s before the update path appeared, and now it is nearly double that (mid 800s).

I did notice the SS&DT increase, but the extra 47 backers only accounted for about 1.5k. Looking at this chart vs. the last one, I notice that the number of $14 backers actually went down, which adds some strength to the theory that a lot of them defected to one of the base levels to get the new reward. It's harder to keep track of the $10 level since so many people are always joining it.


I'm reposting Exediron's amazing table using a header. (Head? Header? A whatchamacallit, in any case.) That way, you can sort by backers, money, percent etc.


Thanks! I don't usually post on forums using this code system, so I'm pretty bad at it. Having seen how to do that I'll probably make the rest of my tables that way to begin with :smallsmile:

EDIT: Didn't someone post a table of the different pledge levels and their associated rewards a while back? I can't seem to locate it right now, but I'm pretty sure it was there.

[Helanna]

You know, for kids.

Soo, is this a reference to something? Because the only place I've ever heard it is the Nostalgia Critic, and a reference to the NC would make me very happy. :smallsmile:

Also: A free coloring book? Seriously? I was wondering if I made a bad decision to pledge so much when I'm so broke, but this is so incredibly worth it I just cannot label it as anything but the best decision ever. :smallbiggrin:

[Umberhulk]

Ok, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe this has an answer already that I missed. I can't figure out how to e-mail Rich.

There are some bonus fundraiser items, such as the stickers and coloring book, being given away when you buy a book. I already have all of the books and just want some the shwag. Will these be available for individual purchase?

[ArtosSwiftblade]

Ho-hum...

Guess we won't be seeing T-shirts and mugs as add ons. So much for me getting the poster for free.

Note the reference in the update to potential larger items being sent in future. Don't give up hope yet; just wait till Monday :)

[Elder Tsofu]

E-mail rich: Push send message under the title of the kickstarter thread.

For the other, why not consider an 25$ art-print (not a book) which entitles you to everything that has come extra up to now?

[oball]

Soo, is this a reference to something?

It's a recurring quote from The Hudsucker Proxy, a film by the Coen brothers.

[keldorn]

Note the reference in the update to potential larger items being sent in future. Don't give up hope yet; just wait till Monday :)

T-shirts and the game are both quite likely. APE Gamer has said on the KS page that they certainly are looking at what adding the game entails.

[ArtosSwiftblade]

The $25 art print pledge does seem to be the default way to get the various new items, without the need to buy a book if you have them all.

And Rich has mentioned future new pledges for packs of some of the swag...somewhere in his many updates. To find it, I'd click on his name on the fundraiser page, which shows you *all* of his posts and is thus much easier to quote from.

[Trazoi]

I don't know whether I've missed seeing this in the ever-growing list of pledge reward categories, but is there one for Don't Split the Party with Snips Snails and Dragon Tales? They're the only two books I don't have, and if I'm getting one it would be worth getting the other.

[jmucchiello]

WHY didn't he say what the extra coloring books would cost?!? How are we supposed to up our pledges to ensure the coloring books exist (and cover getting extra coloring books) if we don't know how much to up our pledge by?

I'm going to guess $20 for the first extra and $15 for a second extra and see how that works for me. (I'm not ordering any books, just the print.) Anyone else have a clue?

I wonder how many pages are in the coloring book.

[ArtosSwiftblade]

I believe the prices for extra colouring books will go up once the total is reached.

This update has so far had the main affect of convincing yet more of the $10 level to increase their pledge to $25. We've already gone up about $5,000 since the update happened. We're at about $431, just 20k to go until the colouring book is a reality. With current uptake rates, at the very latest that will happen in around 20 hours. I'm not sure we'll quite make the 500 by Monday, but it could be pretty close, and if new pledge levels go up then, I think it's bound to.

And yet when it got to $300k I was convinced it would lose steam.... :smalleek:

EDIT: Oh, and the colouring book is 32 pages according to the update.

[Exediron]

I don't know whether I've missed seeing this in the ever-growing list of pledge reward categories, but is there one for Don't Split the Party with Snips Snails and Dragon Tales? They're the only two books I don't have, and if I'm getting one it would be worth getting the other.

I couldn't find any reward which matches what you're looking for exactly. Your best bet is probably either to select a level with the wrong full-color compilation and try to message Rich to get it swapped, or just pledge for the $35 SS&DT level and buy DStP normally (I suggest doing it in this order because DStP is getting a second full print run, whereas SS&DT isn't going to).

Of course, there's always the chance of a new level being added, but it's not too likely.

[HeadlessMermaid]

Thanks! I don't usually post on forums using this code system, so I'm pretty bad at it. Having seen how to do that I'll probably make the rest of my tables that way to begin with :smallsmile:
Great. :smallcool:

And once you're at it, 4-digit numbers (and upwards, I guess) are better without a comma, e.g. write 1300 instead of 1,300. Because then it counts it as a decimal and the sorting order gets screwed up.

[Exediron]

Great. :smallcool:

And once you're at it, 4-digit numbers (and upwards, I guess) are better without a comma, e.g. write 1300 instead of 1,300. Because then it counts it as a decimal and the sorting order gets screwed up.

Yeah, they sort better but I don't like the way they look as much. It's easier to parse numbers with commas (for a human, at least). We'll see which way I end up going when we reach 6,500 (or whatever is the closest number I end up seeing).

[jmucchiello]

Just noticed. Shouldn't the $500,000 mark be Mystery Prize #6.

#1 is Julio Scoundrel (called Mystery Prize #1 on chart 3, named and met on chart 4)
#2 is Dim Sun (called Mystery Prize #2 on chart 6, named and met on chart 7)
#3 is Sir Francis and Elan (called Mystery Prize #3 on chart 6, named and met on chart 10)
#4 is Wallpaper, Stickers, and Hit Point pad (???? question marks on chart 10, named on chart 11, met on chart 12)
#5 is the Coloring Book (???? question marks on chart 12, named and met on chart 13)
#6 is Unknown (called Mystery Prize #4 on chart 13)

Could also be #8 if you split up #4 I suppose.

[WampaX]

I don't know whether I've missed seeing this in the ever-growing list of pledge reward categories, but is there one for Don't Split the Party with Snips Snails and Dragon Tales? They're the only two books I don't have, and if I'm getting one it would be worth getting the other.

Grab a $35 level Snips only.
Then you will need to add some more ($30 + $10, I think) for the Book and the larger box to fit it in.

Make sure to send the Giant a Message asking if that is okay on the Kickstarter site BEFORE you up your pledge.

This way you are guaranteed the limited book AND if the Giant gives the thumbs up, you'll be fine for the DStP.

[jmucchiello]

I believe the prices for extra colouring books will go up once the total is reached.
But if we knew how to ask for extra coloring books, more people would be bumping up their pledge for that, as well. Getting us to $500,000 faster. :smallsmile:

[bjornthedwarf]

Just noticed. Shouldn't the $500,000 mark be Mystery Prize #6.

#1 is Julio Scoundrel (called Mystery Prize #1 on chart 3, named and met on chart 4)
#2 is Dim Sun (called Mystery Prize #2 on chart 6, named and met on chart 7)
#3 is Sir Francis and Elan (called Mystery Prize #3 on chart 6, named and met on chart 10)
#4 is Wallpaper, Stickers, and Hit Point pad (???? question marks on chart 10, named on chart 11, met on chart 12)
#5 is the Coloring Book (???? question marks on chart 12, named and met on chart 13)
#6 is Unknown (called Mystery Prize #4 on chart 13)

Could also be #8 if you split up #4 I suppose.

I thought the same thing, and the logic I used, was that neither the #4 (stickers, etc) and #5 were ever a mystery, as they had no "Mystery" line prior to him announcing them. They were just straight up announced.

[ArtosSwiftblade]

I thought the same thing, and the logic I used, was that neither the #4 (stickers, etc) and #5 were ever a mystery, as they had no "Mystery" line prior to him announcing them. They were just straight up announced.

The colouring book was never a purple line, and I think will be able to be bought as soon as it emerges, so maybe it's not a mystery prize in that way. The stickers etc, not so much...

Jmucchiello, I guess the concern is whether the funds are enough to then print said book; maybe a dotted line as previously could have been introduced around the 442k level, or maybe at this stage Rich has decided he has enough backing to get there regardless!

[jmucchiello]

I thought the same thing, and the logic I used, was that neither the #4 (stickers, etc) and #5 were ever a mystery, as they had no "Mystery" line prior to him announcing them. They were just straight up announced.
They had lots of floating purple question marks. That should count! :smallbiggrin:

[Trazoi]

@WampaX, Exediron: Thanks. Since Snips is still available at Ookoodook I thought I might as well pick up that with the game expansion and see if that fits in the only-moderately-expensive shipping envelope to Australia. I can pick up Don't Split the Party with my pledge and complete my collection.

Edit: If Snips is a limited print run, will the pledge drive use up most of the rest of the stock? Will it be hard to get your hands on a copy after February?

[NerfTW]

Ok, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe this has an answer already that I missed. I can't figure out how to e-mail Rich.

There are some bonus fundraiser items, such as the stickers and coloring book, being given away when you buy a book. I already have all of the books and just want some the shwag. Will these be available for individual purchase?

Well, given what you're getting anyways, there's no reason not to just use the $25 mini version of the poster or the $26 Origin of PCs option. That's probably what you'd be spending anyways if there was a separate option. Then when the survey comes out, just ask him not to send the book if you don't want it. Remember that this is a donation drive, not a store. You're paying extra anyways.

Also, while you can ask questions through the Kickstarter site, he's stated in multiple updates that he's extremely backed up with emails.

Remember that you can change your pledge and reward selection at any time.

[Exediron]

Edit: If Snips is a limited print run, will the pledge drive use up most of the rest of the stock? Will it be hard to get your hands on a copy after February?

I expect so, which was my reasoning behind suggesting making the pledge for Snips. As of now there are at least 1,746 copies of SS&DT to be given out as rewards for the pledge drive, and with optional books and exchanges the number could be much higher. The only statement on the supply which we have is that there are over 1,000 copies available and that Rich feels there are enough to satisfy the demand from the pledge. I believe he has also said that if the remaining number is very low after the pledge is over he may reserve the remainder for future uses similar to this, making the book no longer available for purchase.

[SaintRidley]

@WampaX, Exediron: Thanks. Since Snips is still available at Ookoodook I thought I might as well pick up that with the game expansion and see if that fits in the only-moderately-expensive shipping envelope to Australia. I can pick up Don't Split the Party with my pledge and complete my collection.

Edit: If Snips is a limited print run, will the pledge drive use up most of the rest of the stock? Will it be hard to get your hands on a copy after February?

There might be some left, there might not be. Even the Giant isn't quite sure.

[ORione]

Hmm. My brother's birthday is coming up. Should I give him my coloring book, or keep it to myself?

[Xapi]

I expect so, which was my reasoning behind suggesting making the pledge for Snips. As of now there are at least 1,746 copies of SS&DT to be given out as rewards for the pledge drive, and with optional books and exchanges the number could be much higher. The only statement on the supply which we have is that there are over 1,000 copies available and that Rich feels there are enough to satisfy the demand from the pledge. I believe he has also said that if the remaining number is very low after the pledge is over he may reserve the remainder for future uses similar to this, making the book no longer available for purchase.

Another indicator on the availability of that book is that the amount of rewards with SS&DT alone went up from 200 to 300 sometime this week (probably meaning that after a little pencil sharpening they decided they could give 100 more).

So it's unlikely to run out in the drive.

[Whiffet]

Hmm. My brother's birthday is coming up. Should I give him my coloring book, or keep it to myself?

It depends. How old is your brother, and is he an OOTS fan?

Or you could wait to see the promised future packages that allow more coloring books.

[Chirurgie]

The $25 art print level is more popular than I expected, with about 1 out of every 6 people who pledged going for that level.

Some of us, like myself, have all the books and just wanted to support this project and get a little something (always wanted to get that poster so art print will do). Of course since then, all the increasingly cool stretch rewards are making that choice even more sensible!

I am very hopeful it will reach $500k in which I can't wait to see what reward there may be.

But most of all, I am so very happy for Rich who I am sure by now realise how good a product he has made and how many people so obviously love it and would support it like this!

[Flame of Anor]

Some of us, like myself, have all the books and just wanted to support this project and get a little something (always wanted to get that poster so art print will do). Of course since then, all the increasingly cool stretch rewards are making that choice even more sensible!

Or they want the physical rewards but don't have a lot of money at hand, so they pick the lowest that comes with them.

[YohanLeafheart]

And by the way, kickstarter frontpage and blog mention today.

[ORione]

It depends. How old is your brother, and is he an OOTS fan?

Or you could wait to see the promised future packages that allow more coloring books.

He's twelve, turning thirteen. But he takes pride in being the baby of the family, and often acts younger than he is. I don't think he'd consider himself too cool for coloring.

He's started reading OotS. He hasn't given much indication of what he thinks of it.

But I think I'll do something else for his birthday. The package will probably arrive after his birthday, and I don't want to get him something late unless I'm positive he'll love it.

[The Underlord]

Shouldn't there be a new thread by now?(wayyyyyy past 50 pages)

[Mary]

Hey guys, Rich did post this on KS.


COMMENTED ON A PROJECT UPDATE
@Kathleen Hunt: I'll likely add a x5 prize pack sometime soon, probably after the next goal is announced and nigh-immediately surpassed. It would let you get five each of the stickers, notepads, magnets, and the next thing that's coming. So just keep an eye out for it.

Maybe he will do a package with coloring books and extra stickers and notepads...

[Gwynfrid]

Hmm. The #5 spot in the Kickstarter Hall of Fame is at $556k, that's within reach even if the present rate slows down a bit. But #4 would be a more challenging bar, $800k or so.

[CloakedDancer]

Shouldn't there be a new thread by now?(wayyyyyy past 50 pages)

Isn't it obvious? We've already set a record or two on Kickstarter. We might as well try to break the record for number of posts in a thread while we're at it.

[DreadArchon]

A coloring book is still a new book. Looks like I'm up to $25. :smallbiggrin:

(I would love it if the coloring book was bound to look like the normal books, with a number on the spine and everything. :smallcool: )

[Tanuki Tales]

Well, I bet it's intentional. The Mods probably figure that this thread will keep hitting 50 pages easy and in a relatively short amount of time, so it'd be a waste of time, effort and forum space to lock one and open another.

Or they're just too busy. :smallbiggrin:

[SaintRidley]

Isn't it obvious? We've already set a record or two on Kickstarter. We might as well try to break the record for number of posts in a thread while we're at it.

Yeah... probably not going to happen. We're barely 20% of the way to hitting the length of the Dominic Deegan epic thread.

As Troll Bräu noted, it's most likely intentional. It is an exception to the fun and compliance with the rules, citizen. Now please return to your fun.

[usuakari]

I just carefully added up all the Kickstarter coolness and wanted to share my list for lazy fans:
Because Rich has kept adding the mini-prizes, Mystery Prizes, and other incentives as the numbers skyrocketed, here's what you will now get for a donation of at least $25 (the "Art Print" =$7 shipping to Canada=$32). I have all the books, so I didn't need to order them, but $32 gives me:
1. An 8x10 OOTS cast art print.
2. A Roy Green hilt magnet
3. An O-Chul story PDF
4. A 32-page OOTS Coloring Book
5. Custom character Story PDF #1 (character chosen by one of the 3 crazy backers who pledged over $1250, but all of get a copy too!) 8-12 pgs
6. Custom character Story PDF #2 (8-12 pgs)
7. Custom character Story PDF #3 (8-12 pgs)
8. Julio Scoundrel Story PDF (exclusive mystery prize)
9. Dim Sun Story PDF (exclusive mystery prize)
10. Sir Francois & the Dragon (and Elan!) Story PDF (exclusive mystery prize)
11. Set of OOTS Wallpapers (at least 10) (mini-prize)
12. Sheet of 8 OOTS Stickers (mini-prize)
13. OOTS Hit-Point Pad (mini-prize)
14. Mystery Prize #4 (will be revealed when we break $500,000- which will certainly happen soon)
..and possibly more! How can you resist??

[usuakari]

Also, would anybody else love to see a limited OOTS Kickstarter print collection that collected all the short stories (at least 7 now!) with the story of this whole Kickstarter craziness, including the graphs and comics, coloring book, wallpaper, sticker art, and all the other awesome graphics? Like the "merch only" single-panel gags, there's so much uncollected material waiting to become a book with "K" on the spine:) A 72 or 96-page book would be easy to fill up!

[Gwynfrid]

Also, would anybody else love to see a limited OOTS Kickstarter print collection that collected all the short stories (at least 7 now!) with the story of this whole Kickstarter craziness, including the graphs and comics, coloring book, wallpaper, sticker art, and all the other awesome graphics? Like the "merch only" single-panel gags, there's so much uncollected material waiting to become a book with "K" on the spine:) A 72 or 96-page book would be easy to fill up!

Posters here and on the KS site have been clamoring for that for the past 10 days or so. It's called "the K book". Hopefully it will come to exist one day. :smallsmile:

[Helanna]

It's a recurring quote from The Hudsucker Proxy, a film by the Coen brothers.

Hmm. I have never, ever heard of that movie. Thanks for clearing that up though!

[Flame of Anor]

Yeah... probably not going to happen. We're barely 20% of the way to hitting the length of the Dominic Deegan epic thread.


Could you link? I mean, a 300-page thread? This I have to see.

[MoonCat]

Eh. The coloring book is cool, but I'm more interested in the other stuff. I'll get one anyway, since it's still pretty neat, but I wouldn't have raised my pledge to get it if it wasn't already there. Not as much of a colorer I guess. Especially since it'll only be usable once, and I always hate ruining pretty things with my own shoddy coloring abilities. :smallwink:

[jere7my]

There are some bonus fundraiser items, such as the stickers and coloring book, being given away when you buy a book. I already have all of the books and just want some the shwag. Will these be available for individual purchase?

Rich said he would like to put the leftover notepads and such up at the store, once all the Kickstarter craziness was over. This doesn't mean it'll definitely happen, but it does mean he's thinking about it.

[YohanLeafheart]

Could you link? I mean, a 300-page thread? This I have to see.

Google is your friend http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53160

There are 47 if I counted correct threads about this webcomic (which I never heard about), that thread is the one with 301 pages.

[jmucchiello]

A coloring book is still a new book. Looks like I'm up to $25. :smallbiggrin:

(I would love it if the coloring book was bound to look like the normal books, with a number on the spine and everything. :smallcool: )
No, no, no, then you can't use it as a coloring book. Coloring books have to open flat. (And I don't think you can perfect bind a book with less than 64 pages, or it might be 48 as the lower limit. But certainly not 32. It just isn't enough pages.)

Of course, I'm getting more than one to have one that is not colored. :)

[Exediron]

Some more quick statistics (this time on item numbers):

PDFs: 6,164
Roy Greenhilt Magnets: 6,477
Art Prints: 1,061
Art Prints (autographed): 25
OotPC: 1,339
OotPC (autographed): 105
SoD: 1,137
SoD (autographed): 90
SS&DT: 1,681
SS&DT (autographed): 85
DCF: 722
DCF (autographed): 85
NCftPB: 874
NCftPB (autographed): 85
DStP: 673
DStP (autographed): 59
W&XP: 1,516
W&XP (autographed): 139
Holiday Ornaments: 120
Sticker Sheets: 4,571
Hitpoint Pads: 4,571
Complete magnet sets: 10
Crayon Drawings: 71

Total books to be shipped: 8,590
Total items to be shipped: 25,496
Total items requiring the Hand of the Giant: 744

Note: These numbers are all minimums; I didn't feel like going into the possibilities generated by mix & match categories, extra orders, etc.

Fittingly enough for a drive originally intended to reprint War & XPs, it is the most common book to be shipped; it is also the most common for signing.

[SaintRidley]

Could you link? I mean, a 300-page thread? This I have to see.

It's the thread where Deegan Snarking became a blood sport. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53160)




No, no, no, then you can't use it as a coloring book. Coloring books have to open flat. (And I don't think you can perfect bind a book with less than 64 pages, or it might be 48 as the lower limit. But certainly not 32. It just isn't enough pages.)

Of course, I'm getting more than one to have one that is not colored. :)


My fiancee will be scanning the pages out for the children at work to color so we can keep the original in pristine condition. If she's learned one thing from working with children it's that you never hand them an actual coloring book. All nine hells break loose when that happens.

[factotum]

Well, I bet it's intentional. The Mods probably figure that this thread will keep hitting 50 pages easy and in a relatively short amount of time, so it'd be a waste of time, effort and forum space to lock one and open another.

Or maybe this is the first time a stickied thread has hit 50 pages and they're not sure what to do with it?

[Porthos]

Fittingly enough for a drive originally intended to reprint War & XPs, it is the most common book to be shipped

Actually, that would be SS&DT as near as I can tell. :smallwink:

[Kobold-Bard]

Shouldn't there be a new thread by now?(wayyyyyy past 50 pages)

The first 5 pages would be nothing but people making "woo new thread!" type comments. It's a one off started by the Giant, just saves the hassle of migrating everyone over to a new one.


...

Note: These numbers are all minimums; I didn't feel like going into the possibilities generated by mix & match categories, extra orders, etc.

...
But what if they were definites rather than possibilities? I have the original $65 signed DStP, but have had signed Snips & W&XP added to it by PM.

As an aside, one of the $65 pledges has become open again it seems, so if you want a signed DStP then run for your life & click it.

[CloakedDancer]

Yeah... probably not going to happen. We're barely 20% of the way to hitting the length of the Dominic Deegan epic thread.

As Troll Bräu noted, it's most likely intentional. It is an exception to the fun and compliance with the rules, citizen. Now please return to your fun.

Checking out the links, wow. That's a lot. How about for stickied threads though? :smallamused: I don't feel like checking myself.


So what is Mystery Prize #4 going to be? And what could be added after that to keep the drive alive? There has to be a ceiling somewhere...

EDIT:

Total items requiring the Hand of the Giant: 744

Note: These numbers are all minimums; I didn't feel like going into the possibilities generated by mix & match categories, extra orders, etc.

I feel like the minimum for items requiring the hand of the Giant is much higher:
$38 Level: 25 signed
$50 Level: 25 signed
$52 Level: 30 signed
$57 Level: 30 signed
$60 Level: 25 signed
$65 Level: 35 signed
$83 Level: 50 signed
$50 Level: 25 signed
$92 Level: 35 signed (allowing for minimum of no one picking a second book)
$96 Level: 50 signed
$240 Level: 120 signed (all 8 magnets get signed)
$250 Level: 50 drawings
$262 Level: 180 signed (all 6 books signed)
$305 Level: 175 signed (all 7 books signed)
$575 Level: 175 signed (all 7 books signed), 15 drawings
$600 Level: 5 drawings

Minimum: 1,050 drawings/signings (more likely 1,085 since I doubt people at the $92 level are refusing the choice of a second book).

[SteveDJ]

Shouldn't there be a new thread by now?(wayyyyyy past 50 pages)


Isn't it obvious? We've already set a record or two on Kickstarter. We might as well try to break the record for number of posts in a thread while we're at it.

I figure it is just like the graph on KickStarter, that just keep getting taller, and taller...

People would just go ballistic if the Giant were to trim off the lower $400K on the next graph, putting that at the bottom of a new, abbreviated graph.

So why shouldn't this thread just keep getting bigger, and bigger... :smallbiggrin:

[Weimann]

The first 5 pages would be nothing but people making "woo new thread!" type comments. It's a one off started by the Giant, just saves the hassle of migrating everyone over to a new one.It would save a lot of hassle in every case. That's not an argument.

[t209]

Recap: what is the current reward for 10 dollar pledge?

[Kobold-Bard]

Recap: what is the current reward for 10 dollar pledge?

Donate $10, get:
- O'chul origin story
- Julio Scoundrel story
- Dim Sun alternate reality OotS story
- Sir Francois story
- 3x stories bought by pledgers for $1,250 about a character of their choosing or a stick-ified version of another story of their choosing
- Roy Fridge magnet

Choose a pledge to get either the poster or at least one book ($25+) and you also get:
- A sheet of OotS Stickers
- An OotS notepad
- (In ~$3,000's time) A 32 page OotS colouring book.

[bjornthedwarf]

Okay, I started a new thread to compile blogs, forums and news articles about the drive, and to suggest other places that we can post on, or write to, about the drive to try and get even more coverage of it. Figured I would create a separate thread, as there's already a lot going on in this one:

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231412

[jmucchiello]

Donate $10, get:
- O'chul origin story
- Julio Scoundrel story
- Dim Sun alternate reality OotS story
- Sir Francois story
- 3x stories bought by pledgers for $1,250 about a character of their choosing or a stick-ified version of another story of their choosing
- Roy Fridge magnet

This and the $25 donation should be in a sticky.

[usuakari]

If Rich decides to try the OotS set of dice, I think it would be cool if, on the dice, they replace the highest number with the face of an OotS character (:elan: Critical hit! Yay) and the lowest number with their Linear Guild nemesis (:nale: Critical miss! Bwahaha!)

What an awesome idea! Let's see, OOTS/Linear Guild faces could be:
Vaarsuvius/Zz'dtri on the d4
:elan:/:nale: on the d6
:belkar:/:yikyik: on the d8
:haley:/:sabine: on the d10
:durkon:/:hilgya: on the d12
:roy:/:thog: on the d20
Demon Cockroaches on the percentile d10?
But then what about the more serious villains- :xykon:, :redcloak:, Monster in the Dark? Hmm..

[Jobuu]

Personally, I would love to see an Order of the Stick mousepad. It's something that could easily fit into an envelope with the books (similar size to the hit point pad). Not sure what sort of cost would be incurred, but that could be an idea for a future reward level.

[ella ventic]

$449,000! We'll make $450,000 in just about an hour, I bet...

[Kobold-Bard]

What an awesome idea! Let's see, OOTS/Linear Guild faces could be:

...

:vaarsuvius:/http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h87/osiris32/drizzle.png on the d4
:elan:/:nale: on the d6
:durkon:/http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7486/hilgya.png on the d8
:haley:/:sabine: on the d10
:mitd: on the %
:belkar:/http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9580/yikyikpy8.jpg on the d12
:roy:/:thog: on the d20
:redcloak:/:xykon: on either side of a coin

That's be my suggestion anyway.

Although I'd prefer just the Order's faces, with Mr. Scruffy or Blackwing on the % and the Xykon/Redcloak coin. But that's just me again, I'm not a big LG person.

[usuakari]

$449,000! We'll make $450,000 in just about an hour, I bet...:roach::roach::roach::roach::roach::roach:
I'm preparing for the $500,000 party! When Rich hits a cool half-million dollars, he should- I don't know- mention it in a special Demon Cockroach Intermission strip?? Something cool, anyway. What an incredible accomplishment for an independent web comic!:smallbiggrin::roach::smallbiggrin::roach:

[keldorn]

:vaarsuvius:/http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h87/osiris32/drizzle.png on the d4
:elan:/:nale: on the d6
:durkon:/http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7486/hilgya.png on the d8
:haley:/:sabine: on the d10
:mitd: on the %
:belkar:/http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9580/yikyikpy8.jpg on the d12
:roy:/:thog: on the d20
:redcloak:/:xykon: on either side of a coin

That's be my suggestion anyway.

Although I'd prefer just the Order's faces, with Mr. Scruffy or Blackwing on the % and the Xykon/Redcloak coin. But that's just me again, I'm not a big LG person.

So the % die is black with yellow numbers, just the 00 being a slightly unusual shape.

[Kobold-Bard]

So the % die is black with yellow numbers, just the 00 being a slightly unusual shape.

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. I definitely didn't think it through at all & just put the single character on the single remaining dice....

But yeah, the 00 side being his eyes sounds cool.

I'd up my pledge for OotS dice, I really would.

[JustIgnoreMe]

:vaarsuvius:/http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h87/osiris32/drizzle.png on the d4


The D4 would be tricky, given, y'know, how D4s work.:smalltongue:

[Unisus]

The D4 would be tricky, given, y'know, how D4s work.:smalltongue:

Yes, it would actually be the only die where the character pictured is not shown when the highest number is rolled... maybe put V on the "1"-side, so you know you had a low number when you don't see the elf.

I'd also go for the dice with only the OotS main characters, without LG characters.

edit: Aaand we just hit 450k

[ella ventic]

$450,000! Now, what, 1 1/2 hours until coloring books?

[Sethala]

Yes, it would actually be the only die where the character pictured is not shown when the highest number is rolled... maybe put V on the "1"-side, so you know you had a low number when you don't see the elf.

I'd also go for the dice with only the OotS main characters, without LG characters.

edit: Aaand we just hit 450k

Well, D4 is also the die with the largest sides, so there might be room for a small picture in each corner of a side (similar to how most D4s have their regular numbers).

[Porthos]

Achievement Unlocked (The Order of the Stick Coloring Book)

[ella ventic]

Wooooo! Take that, mauve line!

[Unisus]

I think i'll need five of the coloring books - my two teenage sons like OotS, my other two kids like coloring books...

Hey - that IS five in total. *smile*

[Palthera]

I am inordinately pleased that I am getting a colouring book. Which is embarrassing since I'm 26...

[Smolder]

I am inordinately pleased that I am getting a colouring book. Which is embarrassing since I'm 26...

I feel that way about any exclusive new OotS artwork, regardless of what form it takes. More! MOAR!

[Exediron]

I feel like the minimum for items requiring the hand of the Giant is much higher:

Hmm, I think you're probably right. The number looked a bit low when I typed it, but I was too tired to double-check. Ah well :smalltongue:

Anyway, I'm eager to find out what Mystery Prize #4 is; coloring books are all well and good, but I would imagine that for a milestone like a half million Rich has something larger in mind. Or at least I hope :smallsmile:

[JustIgnoreMe]

I am inordinately pleased that I am getting a colouring book. Which is embarrassing since I'm 26...
I'm in my early 30s and I just promised another $25 in order to get a colouring book. Think how I feel :)

[CDP]

:roach::roach::roach::roach::roach::roach:
I'm preparing for the $500,000 party! When Rich hits a cool half-million dollars, he should- I don't know- mention it in a special Demon Cockroach Intermission strip?? Something cool, anyway. What an incredible accomplishment for an independent web comic!:smallbiggrin::roach::smallbiggrin::roach:

Hmm? Sorry, I'm a little busy trying to get all of the drink kegs ordered for the 1000% party already being planned. :smallwink:

[KenderWizard]

Hello really long thread!

I'm so friggin excited about this colouring book! I'm getting to the point where I think I'll have to add more money - I would definitely pay more than $35 for all the stuff I'm getting. (At the $25 level plus shipping)

Also, people on the kickstarter comments are suggesting everyone who can adds $2 on the last day, just to make a jump, which I think is a cool idea!

[Mary]

Full set signed and a box of crayons is open!

[CloakedDancer]

Hmm, I think you're probably right. The number looked a bit low when I typed it, but I was too tired to double-check. Ah well :smalltongue:

Anyway, I'm eager to find out what Mystery Prize #4 is; coloring books are all well and good, but I would imagine that for a milestone like a half million Rich has something larger in mind. Or at least I hope :smallsmile:

You've done a great job with stats so far this drive. I just noticed what seemed like an inconsistency and wanted to help. :smallsmile:

[HeadlessMermaid]

Hey, I have two important questions:

1) Does Kickstarter accept ONLY Amazon Payments accounts?
2) Does Amazon Payments accept ONLY credit cards and not prepaid cards?

To put it differently, how exactly do you pay Kickstarter with a prepaid card??

[Savannah]

1) Does Kickstarter accept ONLY Amazon Payments accounts?

Yes.


2) Does Amazon Payments accept ONLY credit cards and not prepaid cards?

No. You should be able to find what amazon takes from amazon.com (there's a link at the bottom of the pages called "Help" that links to a lot of information, including payment options).


To put it differently, how exactly do you pay Kickstarter with a prepaid card??

I already had an amazon account set up, but if you don't, I would assume that you do your pledge on the Kickstarter site, then when it links you to amazon, you'd set up an account.

[Shale]

Kickstarter accepts only Amazon - Paypal doesn't allow the "pledge now, pay later" model it's based on. But Amazon does accept prepaid debit cards, so if you can buy one, you should be good.

[factotum]

There's a limited $92 reward (signed SoD + any other signed book) going free--I've had to drop back down a few pledge levels because of unexpected expenses. :smallfrown:

[MaximKat]

Kickstarter accepts only Amazon - Paypal doesn't allow the "pledge now, pay later" model it's based on.
Not true (https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=developer/e_howto_api_APPreapproval)

[Unisus]

Not true (https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=developer/e_howto_api_APPreapproval)

Now that would be something to send either to kickstarter or to amazon (or maybe to both) along with the information, that there are many people outside who would like to pledge, but have no credit card...

[MaximKat]

Now that would be something to send either to kickstarter or to amazon (or maybe to both) along with the information, that there are many people outside who would like to pledge, but have no credit card...
I'm pretty sure they know

[ella ventic]

It's 7 am here on the US East Coast and we have just reached 800% funded. :smallsmile:

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Where would I ask this question:

Does an APO address count as a "normal" address, or as an International order? I've bought stuff shipped from Ookoodook before without additional shipping costs, but wanted to make sure. (I am guessing that someone will email me if I need to pay an additional amount.)

[keldorn]

Now that would be something to send either to kickstarter or to amazon (or maybe to both) along with the information, that there are many people outside who would like to pledge, but have no credit card...

Given the rate that KS are growing, they in now in a position to negotiate terms with Paypal. They were almost a $100m business last year and, since 5 of the top 8 projects had end dates this year, I think there will be well past that turnover this year. Paypal will want their cut. Once KS get to see how much of their turnover switches to PP, they will then be in a position to negotiate directly with the card clearing houses.

[keldorn]

Where would I ask this question:

Does an APO address count as a "normal" address, or as an International order? I've bought stuff shipped from Ookoodook before without additional shipping costs, but wanted to make sure. (I am guessing that someone will email me if I need to pay an additional amount.)

Ask Ookoodook as they're doing the shipping for this.

[HeadlessMermaid]

Kickstarter accepts only Amazon - Paypal doesn't allow the "pledge now, pay later" model it's based on. But Amazon does accept prepaid debit cards, so if you can buy one, you should be good.
Update.

I've sent an email to Amazon, and it turns out that pre-paid debit cards are accepted from Amazon Payments (which is the only thing that Kickstarter accepts, not an Amazon account in general) only when they are tied to an ACH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Clearing_House) bank account. In short, a US bank account. And sadly, I'm in Europe.

Now, a lot of non-Americans have (presumably) participated in Kickstarter. I can only assume that they use credit cards and not debit pre-paid cards, which Amazon Payments may accept in practice. And I say "in practice" because technically Amazon Payments isn't for non-Americans. (I just got a notification from them mentioning the IRS. I went straight to the FAQ and the "what if I'm a foreigner?" question, and the answer was "sorry, only US residents/citizens allowed".)

In short, Kickstarter allows only for Amazon Payments, which allows only for people from the US, which effectively doesn't let people from the rest of the world participate. This is messed up. :smallmad:

Of course, it can be (probably and hopefully) bypassed via credit card. But it certainly CANNOT be bypassed with a non-US pre-paid card, which is the only means I have to pay. I've sent an email to the Giant about this, and I hope an alternative can be found.

Until I get an answer, has anyone here managed to pay Kickstarter with a pre-paid debit card from outside the US? Maybe I'm missing something.

And come to think of it, does anyone here from outside the US have an Amazon Payments account, and knows for sure that it works? And if so, is it with a non-American credit card? I mean, Kickstarter doesn't charge you until the drive is over, so I wouldn't have known about this problem if I hadn't received an error message for another order.

P.S. I don't intend to get a credit card, ever. Frankly, I never meant to get a pre-paid card and start buying things over the internet either (because I'll get carried away, I'm unwise like that), but I went and issued one specifically for the OotS Kickstarter. It would be a crying shame to not be able to participate at all...

[Palthera]

A normal bank account debit card works just fine for me. I'm not entirely sure what a prepaid debit card is. But mine went straight through my normal amazon account...
I'm in the UK and haven't had any trouble.

[Kobold-Bard]

A normal bank account debit card works just fine for me. I'm not entirely sure what a prepaid debit card is. But mine went straight through my normal amazon account...
I'm in the UK and haven't had any trouble.

Britlanders are ok to use debit cards I think, it seems German Amazon has issues with them though.

[VinRaven]

Where would I ask this question:

Does an APO address count as a "normal" address, or as an International order? I've bought stuff shipped from Ookoodook before without additional shipping costs, but wanted to make sure. (I am guessing that someone will email me if I need to pay an additional amount.)

APO addresses always count as "normal" addresses as long as USPS is being used, since they never cost the sender more than any other domestic package.

The only issue which comes up in shipping to APO/FPO addresses is when senders are only using Fed EX, or UPS, and don't have USPS pick-ups set up, or with electronics going to 220 instead of 110 countries.

[Tanuki Tales]

A little over 22,000 before we hit being the 6th highest funded project! =D

[Savannah]

Until I get an answer, has anyone here managed to pay Kickstarter with a pre-paid debit card from outside the US? Maybe I'm missing something.

Yes, at least two that I remember. Germany and...something in that area, as I recall.

[HeadlessMermaid]

Yes, at least two that I remember. Germany and...something in that area, as I recall.
OK, now I'm positively confused. :smallconfused:

[SaintRidley]

OK, now I'm positively confused. :smallconfused:
I think it's because they go by different names to be a proper thing over there.

I'll look back through the thread and see what I can find.

What country are you in?

[MaximKat]

they use credit cards and not debit pre-paid cards
There might be some linguistic/cultural misunderstanding, but why are you talking like these are the only 2 options? Pretty much every reasonably developed country has non-prepaid debit cards. I know for a fact that a Ukrainian debit card can be used to make regular Amazon purchases.

[M.A.D]

And come to think of it, does anyone here from outside the US have an Amazon Payments account, and knows for sure that it works? And if so, is it with a non-American credit card? I mean, Kickstarter doesn't charge you until the drive is over, so I wouldn't have known about this problem if I hadn't received an error message for another order.

P.S. I don't intend to get a credit card, ever. Frankly, I never meant to get a pre-paid card and start buying things over the internet either (because I'll get carried away, I'm unwise like that), but I went and issued one specifically for the OotS Kickstarter. It would be a crying shame to not be able to participate at all...

I'm in the UK, and I've been doing transactions using my non-American Debit card with Amazon for 3 years without a glitch. So yeah, I can pretty much say that I'm sure it does work.

[HeadlessMermaid]

I think it's because they go by different names to be a proper thing over there.

I'll look back through the thread and see what I can find.

What country are you in?
Greece. (I know this doesn't sound very reassuring, but no worries, the banking system hasn't collapsed yet. :smalltongue:)

I should note that when I contacted Amazon about the Amazon Payments account, I didn't specify country at all. I only asked if non-U.S. pre-paid debit cards are accepted and they said nope. So why it works in the UK (for example) is beyond me.

@M.A.D.:

I'm in the UK, and I've been doing transactions using my non-American Debit card with Amazon for 3 years without a glitch. So yeah, I can pretty much say that I'm sure it does work.
Is it a pre-paid debit card though, or just a debit card associated with a bank account? If the latter, and if it's not a UK-specific arrangement, I can definitely try it. If the former, I remain confused.

@MaximKat:
Yes, I have a normal debit card, and will be very happy if it works. I haven't done it already because when I was checking how to add a bank account to my Amazon Payments, the instructions referred exclusively to US bank accounts. And I assumed it doesn't work. We'll see.

Oh, and thanks everyone. :)

[MaximKat]

Yes, I have a normal debit card, and will be very happy if it works. I haven't done it already because when I was checking how to add a bank account to my Amazon Payments, the instructions referred exclusively to US bank accounts. And I assumed it doesn't work. We'll see.
And here I'm confused again. I'm suggesting to use a debit card (Visa, Mastercard, what have you), not a bank account (which is probably US only, as you've thought).

[SaintRidley]

Found it. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229737&page=37)

Begin with Duskranger's first post on that page and read for a couple of pages. He seems to have had much the same issue, near as I can tell.

[Duskranger]

Found it. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229737&page=37)

Begin with Duskranger's first post on that page and read for a couple of pages. He seems to have had much the same issue, near as I can tell.

Yes I had. But I bought a visa pre-paid credit-card.

It's called Visa V3 in my country.

[MaximKat]

What's the difference between prepaid credit and debit cards?

[Duskranger]

What's the difference between prepaid credit and debit cards?

One is from a credit card company, and in my country goes to a maximum of 150 euros (Visa V3).

The other is from the bank and has as much money as you have on your bankaccount (as far as I understood).

[Kobold-Bard]

What's the difference between prepaid credit and debit cards?

Credit card: money isn't yours, paid back at a later date
Debit card: connected to a bank account, money is a direct transfer
Prepaid card: Put money on it from a bank account, its not connected to anything so can only spend the money that has been previously put onto it

Or at least I believe that's right based on my own experience. I could be wrong.

[MaximKat]

One is from a credit card company, and in my country goes to a maximum of 150 euros (Visa V3).

The other is from the bank and has as much money as you have on your bankaccount (as far as I understood).

I mean the difference between a prepaid credit card and a prepaid debit card.

[SaintRidley]

I mean the difference between a prepaid credit card and a prepaid debit card.

Depends on the country. Seems that in some European countries prepaid credit cards are tied to credit card companies and allow online purchases. Prepaid debit cards aren't (?).

Whereas over here (U.S.) there's practically no functional difference.

[M.A.D]

@M.A.D.:

Is it a pre-paid debit card though, or just a debit card associated with a bank account? If the latter, and if it's not a UK-specific arrangement, I can definitely try it. If the former, I remain confused.



Now that you mention it, I think it's the latter. Is the prepaid card similar to an Amazon giftcard?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Now that you mention it, I think it's the latter. Is the prepaid card similar to an Amazon giftcard?

Yes, except it should be accepted everywhere. It behaves, essentially, like a debit card with its own account rather than just in Amazon (or if is is a gift card from another store, only in that store, etc.).

Grey Wolf

[MoonCat]

Yay! I upped my pledge to 25. Now I get everything! :smallsmile::smallbiggrin::smallcool:

[VinRaven]

Yes, except it should be accepted everywhere. It behaves, essentially, like a debit card with its own account rather than just in Amazon (or if is is a gift card from another store, only in that store, etc.).

Grey Wolf

I think the issue they're having, is that some of the Debit Cards outside of the US are fulfilled by either only by their specific banks at specific ATMs, or by small regional networks not tied into the Visa/MasterCard or Amex worldwide networks.

Using a bank outside the worldwide networks sort of makes it hard* for Amazon to charge them.

*Massive understatement.

[stevem]

Redcloak will tell the absolute truth. Someone will ask him "Why?" and he'll respond:

"Many reasons: I despised her. She continually humiliated me and attempted to supplant me, endangering the success of Ritual. As she served Xykon, I forbore from harming her as I didn't think we need unnecessary distractions and instability. Besides, she was largely insane and not worth my time. But then she surprised me in my chambers, threatened me (again!) and I had enough. I killed her and fed her corpse to her wights."

[HeadlessMermaid]

I think the issue they're having, is that some of the Debit Cards outside of the US are fulfilled by either only by their specific banks at specific ATMs, or by small regional networks not tied into the Visa/MasterCard or Amex worldwide networks.

Using a bank outside the worldwide networks sort of makes it hard* for Amazon to charge them.

*Massive understatement.
I beg to differ. Both my pre-paid and normal debit cards have the word "Visa" written in large, friendly letter on the cover. :smalltongue:

By the way, I changed the payment method in Amazon Payments to my normal debit card (of the bank account, not the pre-paid one), and I haven't received any error messages - yet. I'll let you know if I do. Let's see what happens.

[Douglas]

Redcloak will tell the absolute truth. Someone will ask him "Why?" and he'll respond:

"Many reasons: I despised her. She continually humiliated me and attempted to supplant me, endangering the success of Ritual. As she served Xykon, I forbore from harming her as I didn't think we need unnecessary distractions and instability. Besides, she was largely insane and not worth my time. But then she surprised me in my chambers, threatened me (again!) and I had enough. I killed her and fed her corpse to her wights."
Wrong thread.

[Gullintanni]

I beg to differ. Both my pre-paid and normal debit cards have the word "Visa" written in large, friendly letter on the cover. :smalltongue:

By the way, I changed the payment method in Amazon Payments to my normal debit card (of the bank account, not the pre-paid one), and I haven't received any error messages - yet. I'll let you know if I do. Let's see what happens.

If it's got Visa or Mastercard written on it, then technically speaking it is a credit card. It behaves exactly like a debit card, but because of it's legal designation as a credit card, it must be accepted by any vendor who accepts Visa or Mastercard.

From a customer's perspective, it would be perfectly reasonable to call it a debit card, but from a Visa/Mastercard/Vendor position, it is a credit card.

EDIT: For clarity, the above only applies to Visa/Mastercard prepaid cards. Those function identically to credit cards, except that rather than having a pre-assigned limit, you have money you load to the prepaid card account.

A Visa/Mastercard Debit Card is an entirely different thing.

[MaximKat]

If it's got Visa or Mastercard written on it, then technically speaking it is a credit card. It behaves exactly like a debit card, but because of it's legal designation as a credit card, it must be accepted by any vendor who accepts Visa or Mastercard.

From a customer's perspective, it would be perfectly reasonable to call it a debit card, but from a Visa/Mastercard/Vendor position, it is a credit card.

I don't follow.

[Porthos]

If it's got Visa or Mastercard written on it, then technically speaking it is a credit card. It behaves exactly like a debit card, but because of it's legal designation as a credit card, it must be accepted by any vendor who accepts Visa or Mastercard.

Maybe in your country, but in the US this is incorrect. I know a fact that some businesses will flat out refuse to treat a VISA stamped Debit Card as a Credit Card (for various reasons that really aren't germane to this thread) and won't accept it as payment.

[Gullintanni]

Maybe in your country, but in the US this is incorrect. I know a fact that some businesses will flat out refuse to treat a VISA stamped Debit Card as a Credit Card (for various reasons that really aren't germane to this thread) and won't accept it as payment.

I think we're miscommunicating, sorry. I'm talking about Visa Prepaid cards. Visa Debit cards are a different product entirely, and vendors are allowed to refuse those, since those aren't actually credit cards. They're tied to a bank account. But see below for information on the Visa prepaid cards, which are subject to all the same rules as a credit card:

http://www.visa.ca/en/merchant/products/prepaidcards.jsp

While some vendors may, in practice, refuse to accept a prepaid Visa or Mastercard, this is typically in violation of the vendor's contract with Visa or Mastercard.

If you were to report to Visa that a given merchant refused a prepaid card, there is a legitimate danger that that vendor would have his contract with Visa revoked. If you have a problem getting your card accepted, call the card issuer and let them know that you're being refused. Visa//Mastercard do not take kindly to vendors turning down their customers.

Again, it has nothing to do with the laws of a given country, and everything to do with the terms of the contracts vendors sign with the card issuers. If you're turned down, call the card issuer, and they'll find a way to get your prepaid card accepted.

[Porthos]

I think we're miscommunicating, sorry. I'm talking about Visa Prepaid cards. Visa Debit cards are a different product entirely, and vendors are allowed to refuse those, since those aren't actually credit cards.

Ok, I was simply going by your initial (and unedited) statement of "If it's got Visa or Mastercard written on it, then technically speaking it is a credit card" as there are many things that are stamped with the VISA logo that aren't credit cards. :smallsmile:

But your edit makes your point much more clear. :smallsmile:

[RMS Oceanic]

There are now 1337 people going for the $10 pledge. :smallbiggrin:

[MoonCat]

There are now 1337 people going for the $10 pledge. :smallbiggrin:

With $25 steadily gaining because of everyone who figures all the extra stuff is worth another $15. :smallsmile:

I find it interesting that relatively very few people are interested in two magnets compared to the one.

[CheezItMan]

Holy Crap! Almost 500K

Giant, at this point I'd be reduced to constantly giggling and dancing the money dance. I shoulda been a comic artist....

I've gone ahead and put my $10 in, although I'm overseas and unlikely to see any physical bribes.

[RMS Oceanic]

What makes you say that? You're definately getting a fridge magnet at least. Water is no boundary on this project.

[Red XIV]

If you want the physical goodies but live overseas, you can still get them. You just have to add $10 on top of whichever pledge amount you choose.

[Savannah]

If you want the physical goodies but live overseas, you can still get them. You just have to add $10 on top of whichever pledge amount you choose.

No, you have to add what is specified on the pledge amount you choose. The magnet doesn't require extra shipping and if you get other physical goodies, the amount for shipping will depend on what, exactly, you're getting.

[Studoku]

Rich said he would like to put the leftover notepads and such up at the store, once all the Kickstarter craziness was over. This doesn't mean it'll definitely happen, but it does mean he's thinking about it.

I can't imagine there being many leftovers, considering the ridiculous number of people who donated.

[Xapi]

Holy Crap! Almost 500K

Giant, at this point I'd be reduced to constantly giggling and dancing the money dance. I shoulda been a comic artist....

I've gone ahead and put my $10 in, although I'm overseas and unlikely to see any physical bribes.

Shipping for the magnet (wich is the only physical reward at the $10 level) is paid for by The Giant, so you will get that.

If you want the "free" physical rewards, you need to pledge for (and pay shipping on) at least the $25 poster, + $10 shipping.

You could also pledge $26+$10 for "On the origin of PCs" + the rewards, or $29+$10 for Start of Darkness + the rewards (I strongly recommend this option if you don't have SoD already, it is a great book, even better than OtOoPCs wich was already very good).

[ArtosSwiftblade]

Hey thread campers,

Rich posted on the Kickstarter page saying the update will be after sleep. So late this afternoon/tonight for the American types. :P Basically midnight for the European crowd. :)

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Hey thread campers,

Rich posted on the Kickstarter page saying the update will be after sleep. So late this afternoon/tonight for the American types. :P Basically midnight for the European crowd. :)

Good grief, it's 9 am in Philadelphia. That means he just spent the entire night answering emails. Oh, and doing the comic, but I hope that is enjoyable for Rich.

Grey Wolf

[factotum]

I can't imagine there being many leftovers, considering the ridiculous number of people who donated.

Depends how many he prints, doesn't it? Those notebooks don't exist yet, so when the time comes to mail them out he can print off as many as he likes and has money to pay for...

[SteveDJ]

Hey thread campers,

Rich posted on the Kickstarter page saying the update will be after sleep. So late this afternoon/tonight for the American types. :P Basically midnight for the European crowd. :)

He also posted the same in the starting thread message for the new strip #833 -- you did notice the new strip this morning, right? :smallbiggrin:

[RMS Oceanic]

I think Rich just wants to wait until we hit #6 on the Kickstarter Top Ten. :smalltongue:

[Squark]

I just did some quick adding in my head; We could be looking at around up to 2000 orders on Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tails. I hope Rich has enough.

[JediSoth]

For people asking about shipping cost increases: If Rich is shipping stuff via USPS Priority Mail flat-rate packaging, as long as he can fit the rewards into a given package, shipping does not increase for that package. If he has to change from the flat-rate envelope to the flat-rate small box, shipping will go up.

Which is why some of the updates have mentioned if you're already getting at least 1 8x10-ish item, you'll also get the coloring book; it can be added to a flat-rate priority mail envelope without affecting the shipping cost.

[Khayyinn]

While some vendors may, in practice, refuse to accept a prepaid Visa or Mastercard, this is typically in violation of the vendor's contract with Visa or Mastercard.

If you were to report to Visa that a given merchant refused a prepaid card, there is a legitimate danger that that vendor would have his contract with Visa revoked. If you have a problem getting your card accepted, call the card issuer and let them know that you're being refused. Visa//Mastercard do not take kindly to vendors turning down their customers.

Again, it has nothing to do with the laws of a given country, and everything to do with the terms of the contracts vendors sign with the card issuers. If you're turned down, call the card issuer, and they'll find a way to get your prepaid card accepted.

This is exactly correct. I work for a credit processor, and you'd be amazed by how many merchants get their ability to process credit revoked because they thought they didn't have to follow the contract they signed. Consumers would be well served to read and understand what merchants are and are not allowed to do. Most credit rules are written to protect the consumer.

[keldorn]

Halfway point statistics:

6749 backers break down as over 281 a day, nearly 12 an hour or one every 5 minutes and 7 seconds.

$485405 and the halfway point breaks down as $32360 a day, $1348 an hour, $22 a minute or a dollar every two and two thirds seconds.

And that's $71.92 a backer.

[keldorn]

A signed W&XP has been available for about half an hour.

[Gullintanni]

This is exactly correct. I work for a credit processor, and you'd be amazed by how many merchants get their ability to process credit revoked because they thought they didn't have to follow the contract they signed. Consumers would be well served to read and understand what merchants are and are not allowed to do. Most credit rules are written to protect the consumer.

Also, you'd be shocked at how many vendors don't want to go toe-to-toe with a major credit organization. I can't help but feel sorry for the defendant on any docket where the plaintiff reads: VISA. Even if they were in the wrong to begin with. :smalltongue:

[Squark]

Alright, insane followers of OOTS; We have less than $500 to go until we crack the top 6. Hop to it! :smallwink::smalltongue::smallbiggrin:

[ella ventic]

Actually, we cracked it about $800 ago! The chart is in error on this one; the CineSkates only (only!) raised $486,518, which we passed some time in the last hour.

But still: green line! Let's break the green line!

[keldorn]

Alright, insane followers of OOTS; We have less than $500 to go until we crack the top 6. Hop to it! :smallwink::smalltongue::smallbiggrin:

We have cracked it. Rich had a typo and wrote it down a 1000 too high.

[Advance Strat..]

Only about 11.5K to go until we hit the Half Million Dollar mark, along with the next mystery prize!

Come on, let's beat Rich to it! :smallsmile:

[Pi_Squared]

I really would like to pledge more than 10$, but I already have all the books (including the three small ones), and I would not know where to put an art print or the like.
But since the end of the last book, there have accumulated quite a lot of strips - I mean, why not make a book #5 part of this kickstarter?

[Unisus]

I really would like to pledge more than 10$, but I already have all the books (including the three small ones), and I would not know where to put an art print or the like.
But since the end of the last book, there have accumulated quite a lot of strips - I mean, why not make a book #5 part of this kickstarter?

That was already discussed before - Rich does not want to take money for a book without knowing when it will be printed etc. There were some issues with the last book he took preordes for, so he will print number 5 when it's time for it and sell it after that.

[ella ventic]

But since the end of the last book, there have accumulated quite a lot of strips

...But not enough for Book Five. If I'm not mistaken, we've still got one HUGE plot arc to go before the end of that book, which is presumably going to be when everyone comes together at Girard's Gate. Plus a few denouement strips afterwards.

But I'm sure there will be new pledge rewards added that AREN'T books which you might have more use for; there are the multi-packs of notepads, coloring books, etc. that the Giant promised on Friday, or even more swagalicious things to come, I'm sure. The drive is only half over, after all!

[Gullintanni]

Only about 11.5K to go until we hit the Half Million Dollar mark, along with the next mystery prize!


That's a dizzying number...

And, with half the drive left to go, we're less than $100K away from breaking into the Top 5 Kickstarters of all time! :smallsmile:

[CDP]

That's a dizzying number...

And, with half the drive left to go, we're less than $100K away from breaking into the Top 5 Kickstarters of all time! :smallsmile:

Speaking of halfway, half of the current #1 slot is $471,289.

That means that if we can maintain this momentum, this can become the biggest Kickstarter to date.

[Raistlin82]

I really would like to pledge more than 10$, but I already have all the books (including the three small ones), and I would not know where to put an art print or the like.
But since the end of the last book, there have accumulated quite a lot of strips - I mean, why not make a book #5 part of this kickstarter?

Do like me, then.

Get "THE WHOLE STORY" for a friend. :smallwink:

PS: Rich already said why he's not making the next book as part of the Kickstarter. He said he can't take money for producing something that is not finished and ready yet, that he doesn't know when it will be, and that he doesn't even know if it will be the next book he makes.

[ORione]

We probably won't be able to keep our momentum...

But let's reach half a million before the next update.

[factotum]

That means that if we can maintain this momentum, this can become the biggest Kickstarter to date.

I think that's pretty unlikely on the whole...we have to hit saturation point some time, when everybody has got what they want out of the drive and there's nothing higher to go for, and only those few poor souls who didn't know the drive was on are still coming in to increase the totals...

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I think that's pretty unlikely on the whole...we have to hit saturation point some time, when everybody has got what they want out of the drive and there's nothing higher to go for, and only those few poor souls who didn't know the drive was on are still coming in to increase the totals...

I'm not disagreeing, but we don't know how many of such poor souls are out there. I know it seems impossible for us involved in this thread and caught in the excitement, but there are likely people that read OotS - maybe that are in the forums - that likely have not heard what's going on. SOme people don't read the news, and are here only once a day to post in their PbPs and check if there is a new comic up.

Grey Wolf

[Forbiddenwar]

I keep expecting the chart to peak out, but it doesn't do it.:smalleek:
This last weekend was bigger than the one before.
I imagine things will slow down if and when Rich runs out of mystery prizes and stops posting. The daily updates are really driving these as people keep checking for more signed and bonus stuff and upping their pledge as a result.

[Palthera]

I'm not disagreeing, but we don't know how many of such poor souls are out there. I know it seems impossible for us involved in this thread and caught in the excitement, but there are likely people that read OotS - maybe that are in the forums - that likely have not heard what's going on. SOme people don't read the news, and are here only once a day to post in their PbPs and check if there is a new comic up.

Grey Wolf

My brother only found out about the Kickstarter when I told him, since he apparently DOESN'T read the news thing... He hops in, reads comic and leaves...

[Grey_Wolf_c]

My brother only found out about the Kickstarter when I told him, since he apparently DOESN'T read the news thing... He hops in, reads comic and leaves...

It might be in Rich's best interest, in fact, to publish the graphs as an intermission comic when there's a week left or so. He's done silier comics in the past (e.g. Q&A), so it's not completely left field, and would expose the fact that the kickstarter thing is happening to the entire readership, rather than only those who do read the news (which update so seldom I myself occasionally forget they're there). It is also no extra work on his part - he's already got the graphs done, after all. He could put the first 3 or so, and add "the story continues at kickstarter".

Grey Wolf

[VinRaven]

It might be in Rich's best interest, in fact, to publish the graphs as an intermission comic when there's a week left or so. He's done silier comics in the past (e.g. Q&A), so it's not completely left field, and would expose the fact that the kickstarter thing is happening to the entire readership, rather than only those who do read the news (which update so seldom I myself occasionally forget they're there). It is also no extra work on his part - he's already got the graphs done, after all. He could put the first 3 or so, and add "the story continues at kickstarter".

Grey Wolf

That's a great idea, someone should mention it to him.

Tons of people only read the comic and purposefully ignore ads, forums and news type things.

[CloakedDancer]

Coloring time!

[CoffeeIncluded]

Hooray for a Kickstarter update!

...Supersize print runs? I like that. And yes, I certainly enjoyed today's comic.

[Gift Jeraff]

Alas, poor Roy!

Heheheh. I love how Thog coloured in Nale.

[CloakedDancer]

Ooh. Snazzy new packages are now available for those who just want the coloring books. I wonder how many of those will get snapped up. :smallsmile:

[Kobold-Bard]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

I'm getting double stickers & a second notepad without even upping my pledge. Eeeeexcellent!!! :smallcool:

[SweetBB]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

I'm getting double stickers & a second notepad without even upping my pledge. Eeeeexcellent!!! :smallcool:


Double the fun for me too! :smallbiggrin: However, with mystery prize #4 on the horizon, Rich may just get us yet! :smalltongue:

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Looks like I need to make another upgrade to get two copies of the Coloring Book! Let's see where the numbers land, or just wait for the questionnaire...

[k_bukie]

At this point, the only real annoyance about Kickstarter that I see is the inability to claim multiple rewards with a single account. It doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to do on their end, but of course I'm not them.

So, it looks like the easiest way for me to get both the signed print and the swag kit is to do it with multiple accounts.

[Smolder]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

I'm getting double stickers & a second notepad without even upping my pledge. Eeeeexcellent!!! :smallcool:

Hehe! I'm getting double coloring books without even upping my pledge!

I think it's hilarious that this reprint drive has been so successful that he ran out of books all over again.

[Thagorn]

At this point, the only real annoyance about Kickstarter that I see is the inability to claim multiple rewards with a single account. It doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to do on their end, but of course I'm not them.

My guess is that they really didn't plan out their reward system when they began the site. It's designed more as a fundraising site than a pre-order deal so things like renaming pledge values or selecting multiple values didn't seem important. Changing a complex system such as this could easily require re-writing the whole system. I don't know much about their set-up but its probably not a top priority.

Sure if I were to design it now I would add checkboxes instead of radio buttons, have a database that supports multiple values and pledges that differentiated rewards and descriptions (so the description could be altered later without screwing people out of their money), but unfortunately it probably isn't worth it for them at this point.

[Porthos]

Achievement Unlocked (Mystery Prize #4)

[SweetBB]

WOO HOO!! We did it!! HALF A MILLION DOLLARS!!! Sweeeeet! :smallcool:

[Manga Maniac]

Ding, ding, ding! Mystery Prize #4 unlocked!

[Whiffet]

Ooo, that coloring book looks so fun! Just like all of that other stuff! Excuse me, I need to switch to Swag Pack #1. And pledge more so I can get extra stuff.

It looks so much more fun than signatures, I gotta say.

[Smolder]

Woohoo! 500K!!


Changing a complex system such as this could easily require re-writing the whole system.

That's nonsense. It would take 5 minutes to make a web form that could handle orders and tally quantities, sending Rich email summaries. The problem is that this pledge drive is already underway! You make new options available for future drives, but you can't really switch midstream.

[Gwynfrid]

Quite a sight, isn't it ?

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l509/Gwynfrid/500.png

[Procyonpi]

Half a MEEEEELYION!

[MReav]

I'm curious, as a Canadian, I have to add 7$ to my shipment already. Does that mean I get a second colouring book automatically, or do I have to up my pledge by another 5$? I'm doubtful I can get away with this, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

[SweetBB]

It's sooooo beautiful!

*wipes a tear away*

Our little baby Kickstarter is all grown up now.

[MoonCat]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE

This message brought to you by probably everyone involved in this massive tribute to Mr Burlew's stick figure comic.

Now let's go get together another 500,000 for him, okay? :smallwink:

[k_bukie]

Woohoo! 500K!!



That's nonsense. It would take 5 minutes to make a web form that could handle orders and tally quantities, sending Rich email summaries. The problem is that this pledge drive is already underway! You make new options available for future drives, but you can't really switch midstream.

The web form change would be the least of their problems. A change like this is likely a wholescale database rework at this point, which probably isn't worth it to them until a future website revision.

[Porthos]

I'm curious, as a Canadian, I have to add 7$ to my shipment already. Does that mean I get a second colouring book automatically, or do I have to up my pledge by another 5$? I'm doubtful I can get away with this, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/599092525/the-order-of-the-stick-reprint-drive/posts/171298

Here's how it's going to work: Every pledge that has a book or an art print will get a coloring book for free. There will also (very shortly) be some new pledge options that will let you get two coloring books without the art print, or "swag packs" of two (or five!) of every physical freebie that we're offering (stickers, notepad, coloring book, and magnet). Plus, you can add a second coloring book to any reward package with a book by simply increasing your pledge by $5! You don't need to message me telling me that you're doing it (in fact, please DON'T message me telling me that; my inbox couldn't handle it). Just increase your pledge now, and when we send the survey out asking for shipping addresses, there'll be a place to check off that you added an extra coloring book. In order to make sure we have enough, though, please do not add more than one additional coloring book (so, two total) in this manner.

and


But it's not just a goal, it's also a reward, because if we reach that line, some rewards will get super-sized as well! Every pledge that goes over the $125 mark (including any shipping surcharge) will get TWO sheets of stickers and TWO notepads, while every pledge that goes over the $250 mark (again, including shipping surcharge) will get TWO coloring books for no additional charge (and can still add a third one for $5).

Since Rich didn't say in the first case that "including any shipping charges", I would presume that you would indeed have to pledge the extra $5. :smallwink:

[Flame of Anor]

WOO HOO!! We did it!! HALF A MILLION DOLLARS!!! Sweeeeet! :smallcool:

It just occurred to me...Rich probably put out the update when he did so that he could have a little more time to think of what the 500k Mystery Prize would be! :smallbiggrin:

[MReav]

Since Rich didn't say in the first case that "including any shipping charges", I would presume that you would indeed have to pledge the extra $5. :smallwink:

I thought so, but like I said, it couldn't hurt to ask.

[Smolder]

The web form change would be the least of their problems. A change like this is likely a wholescale database rework at this point, which probably isn't worth it to them until a future website revision.

Step one: Break down all the existing packages by contents and assign those quantities to each existing user (making note not to lose anyone's signed copies).
Step two: Update the Manage your Pledge page with checkboxes reflecting the existing quantities and allowing additional books and rewards to be added.
Step three: Profit.

It's really not as hard as it sounds. And for what Kickstarter will earn from this project, they could spend a year developing it.

[SteveDJ]

...have a database that supports multiple values and pledges that differentiated rewards and descriptions (so the description could be altered later without screwing people out of their money), but unfortunately it probably isn't worth it for them at this point.

Alas, if you allowed the description to change, then you have a situation where someone pledges an amount expecting one thing - but then the description changes and it is something else entirely (no, not something Rich would do - but others might).

Oh, sure, people could go in and change their pledge, too - but I'm sure some people would pledge and then sorta forget it. They would be the most affected by description changes.

[Whiffet]

Do you guys understand how much Rich is spoiling us? Because we don't deserve all of these rewards. There's no way.

[CDP]

Ooo, that coloring book looks so fun! Just like all of that other stuff! Excuse me, I need to switch to Swag Pack #1. And pledge more so I can get extra stuff.

It looks so much more fun than signatures, I gotta say.

Just switched to Swag Pack #1 myself because it lets me get the art print too.

My pledge is at $52 and holding... for now. The odds that I will feel the need to increase it yet again are high.


Do you guys understand how much Rich is spoiling us? Because we don't deserve all of these rewards. There's no way.

Personally, I'm rather of the opinion that we don't exactly deserve to be reading a comic of this quality for free on the internet. And yet we keep doing so.

If Rich wants to thank us in such an extremely extravagant manner, I'm not about to stop him. I'll likely throw some more of my money into my pledge periodically, but I'm not going to try and tell him that he's rewarding the backers too much.

[MReav]

Do you guys understand how much Rich is spoiling us? Because we don't deserve all of these rewards. There's no way.

We're giving him lots and lots of cash to allow him to do a huge print run that he would otherwise not be able to do and would in turn make him more money and spread his work to people who might not know about him. In return we get awesome stuff. It's called mutualism. It is a form of symbiosis.

We're like bees spreading his pollen around to help the flowers grow and spread, and in turn we get nectar for our honey... or would it be the other way around?

[Terribad]

I'm curious, as a Canadian, I have to add 7$ to my shipment already. Does that mean I get a second colouring book automatically, or do I have to up my pledge by another 5$? I'm doubtful I can get away with this, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

I'm pretty sure you have to add an extra $5 for an extra colouring book.

Just to note that:

Every pledge that goes over the $125 mark (including any shipping surcharge) will get TWO sheets of stickers and TWO notepads, while every pledge that goes over the $250 mark (again, including shipping surcharge) will get TWO coloring books for no additional charge (and can still add a third one for $5).

If we do hit the super sized mark and your total pledge INCLUDING SHIPPING is more than $250, you get the extra colouring book anyway. I had actually messaged Rich about this before as I wanted to get an art print as well, he helped to clarify that it is the TOTAL amount pledged that qualifies you for any bonus rewards e.g free art print, extra stickers etc.

[SaintRidley]

Okay, so I sent a message to Rich because curiosity kept getting to me and I wanted to know if I could add a signed No Cure to my current package of signed books.

With a swift response from Rich and thinking long and hard, I decided to say screw it and plunk down the extra cash to add the book. Because A) full collection and B) my lady wants her own hit point pad, and this lets me get the $125 order supersizing. Hooray!

[Tanuki Tales]

Gah.

Still no T-shirts or other apparel.

Darn it Rich, I need a method to get the full set of books, take out SS&DT (since I already own it) and substitute in other things to knock me over 250 dollars. :smallsigh:

Edit: In other words: I need more ways to throw my money at you Mr. Burlew!

[Chronos]

Can I piggyback another question on here? I currently lack War and XPs, Don't Split the Party, and Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tails. Is there any kickstart package that would include that set, or a close approximation thereof?

I'll definitely be kicking in something, since I want to see that O-Chul story.

[Elder Tsofu]

Edit: In other words: I need more ways to throw my money at you Mr. Burlew!

And I keep upping my pledge since he insists on throwing free stuff at us above $250. I know this kills the "free" part of it, but I can't help myself.

But some more reward levels would probably be good for the momentum. And for any aspiring PhDs' in "Oots Kickstarter pledge reward levels". :smallwink:

[SteveDJ]

Rich is going to run into a new problem on Kickstarter very soon now. If you haven't noticed, each reward level must have its own dollar amount - no duplicates. And you can see where it looks like he wanted to do something the same as something else, but shifted it off by one or two dollars.

For example, there is a $24 reward, one for $25, and another for $26. I'm sure he'd have much rather just made them all $25, but Kickstarter doesn't offer/allow that.

So at any rate, it looks like a lot of the lower level $$ points are getting filled in with rewards. Soon, he won't be able to add more rewards, except at a much higher level.

...not that that is a bad thing... :smallwink:

[SteveDJ]

Oh - doesn't seem like anyone has noticed, or at least mentioned, but that isn't just a coloring book being offered. The cover mentions "and stuff to do".

What other goodies/surprises are lurking in that book?

[Duskranger]

Oh - doesn't seem like anyone has noticed, or at least mentioned, but that isn't just a coloring book being offered. The cover mentions "and stuff to do".

What other goodies/surprises are lurking in that book?

I don't know, but I did add another 5 dollars (yes I am a cheap bastard) to my pledge to get a second one added to my rewards. I am very happy with my reward of the print only books, even though I would love to get the art-print as well, but I would not want to add another 10 dollar for shipping (more since I do not have a credit card :( )

[Othniel Edden]

Yay! I'm in :D

[uncool]

There's a $262 (signed Up To The Split, i.e. you get one of everything with all books signed, except Don't Split The Party) open at the moment. Damn, I wish I had money to spend on this...
=Uncool-

[bjornthedwarf]

I've upped my pledge multiple times as this has gone on. I don't *think* that there is anything that could get me to increase it again at this point, but we'll see what tomorrow's update and Mystery #4 bring.

[SaintRidley]

Okay. I'm officially getting three signed books! Awesomeness!

[darkelf]

It's really not as hard as it sounds. And for what Kickstarter will earn from this project, they could spend a year developing it.

only if they've offshored all their programming. $25k doesn't go that far.

[Joran]

Step one: Break down all the existing packages by contents and assign those quantities to each existing user (making note not to lose anyone's signed copies).
Step two: Update the Manage your Pledge page with checkboxes reflecting the existing quantities and allowing additional books and rewards to be added.
Step three: Profit.

It's really not as hard as it sounds. And for what Kickstarter will earn from this project, they could spend a year developing it.

It isn't as easy as you make it sound. The pledge amounts are only numbers and a descriptor in the database. The Kickstarter database doesn't know that $25 is an art print book or the $222 is seven books. Never mind that Rich hacked together his own workaround to make updateable pledges and even he doesn't know what every pledge means.

It also depends on how they set up their database; a change from one-to-one to one-to-many relationship can add another table and change the database design.

I do think Kickstarter should look toward making this an integral part of their pledging system. I think Rich had a really smart and innovative way of encouraging people to add onto their pledge and to follow the progress of the drive, instead of just firing and forgetting.

Technically, you're right, it's not a hard change when done at the beginning but with the pledge drive ongoing, I wouldn't mess with something that's working as intended and mostly fine.

[Balain]

Well upped my pledge by $5 for the extra colouring book. Hope there is nothing wlse I want to try and get cause the credit card won't take any more. Hope the exchange rate for the dollar doesn't change drasticlly either or I'll have to forget about the extra colouring book.