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Thread: Love Letter Mafia
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2021-09-24, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2017
Re: Love Letter Mafia
Actually, a couple questions I meant to ask:
What did people think of Night Talk only? Particularly asking the Mafia members, since this theoretically made things harder for you by not coordinating during the Day.
What did people think of swapping roles around? Annoying and needlessly complicated? Or a change of pace partway through the game?
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2021-09-24, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2014
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Re: Seriously had a f-ton of fun.
Hey, mech can be pretty fun. At least if it is slightly more complicated than "detect evil".
The guards were not that good for any side. Probably a bit more useful for scum early on, but better for town later. They are effective to make fake claiming dangerous. They are less useful to find new roles unless you can limit the options by some other means.
That being said, my own guard usages were not really helpful.
The Prince power was more useful for scum. The extra info about the way the roles changed made it easy for us to track roles.
The king was neutral. Both sides could use it to accurately determine one past role and get a good guess for the new role. (A prince could influence things in favor for scum)
The maiden was neutral as well. For town, the kill protection was strong, for scum the protection from scries.
The Baron was a bit easier for scum to use (better knowledge about the targets) but otherwise neutral.
The Priest was more useful for town, but scum could gain something nice from it as well. We could identify gac as Baron by seeing his targets.
The Princess would have been a great boon for town. Unkillable at day, so they could have played aggressive. An inactive with this power was really bad luck.
The countess could have been more powerful as well, if Libro had used his position of trust some more.
In a similar game, it might be interesting to add a neutral role who could see the unused roles instead of giving scum this power. Maybe allow this neutral to use the power of one of the inactive roles each night, so there is an active component as well?
It's actually hard to resist agreeing with some of the more active players. They spend so much work in constructing the cases, how could they be wrong? Unless you spot a grave mistake, that is. (Or you know they are wrong, since you know the real alignment of the target)
Never trust AV? Well... I told you to lynch her! In fact, this game I was voting for each and every of my team mates. That's a really good track record.
I liked all of the RP posts this game. I had set me a target of one letter per day, but failed miserably... But still, it was fun to read what you all came up with. And having fun is the most important thing.
Oh, I don't doubt I did well this match. Far from perfect, but well. However, in general I like to be honest. And it's frustrating when I have to balance being honest with my own victory condition AND the way things can be interpreted by you all.
Since all wolves* are in agreement about the chat:
Wolf chat is this way
* Technically, Emmy didn't say she is fine with sharing, but since the whole chat only contains one post... I can't imagine she would mind.
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Night talk only is fine. Sure, it makes coordination harder, but you can always try to plan ahead a bit. Wolves had a number of advantages, we could take that disadvantage as well.
I guess the Baron power might have been frustrating sometimes, since you had to wait a whole day before you could take full advantage of the thing. Maybe allow one post per member at the first day next time?
About the role swapping, I already gave some thoughts about it in my roles review.
It is an interesting mechanic, but it was highly in favor for the wolf team.Spoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-09-24, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2017
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Thanks everyone for the game!
\(^^)/
Honestly didn't think anyone knew about the sig thing, something to change. Welp.
I wonder why no one suspected AV for being the only one to point that out the day after I died.
Was indeed a fun game, Mr Popo was... interesting.Fleeting dreams of paper wings.
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2021-09-24, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2014
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
I didn't knew you would do this. Kind of wish you had not done so, even if it was very useful for the wolf win. But you can read most of my struggle about this in the wolf chat.
It was luck for my side, bad luck for yours.
I think, it played a role that AV used this bit of info to construct a case against someone else. This way, someone else was in the focus of town instead of people wondering why you died. Of course it also helped that you died at night 2, so a lucky guess or process of elimination could have been an explanation for finding your role as well.
By the way, you should listen to your dice some moreSpoiler: I'm a seer
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2021-09-24, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2019
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Lol, I honestly wasn’t trying to soft anything with my RP. I just came up with an idea that let me RP as a Prince without actually claiming Prince.
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Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-24, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Fleeting dreams of paper wings.
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2021-09-24, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2021
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
I was mad at town for not resolving Rogan immediately like I said.
And then you never dying at night would have been suspect, as I said.
You get considered in f3 for not dying after everyone else dies.
But if wolves win because they have partners alive, before f3, then game too short for you to die for being deep.
GG well played for smoking me, AV.
Deep wolves are good. Glad to have gotten punked. It's been a while since someone legit fooled me.
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I was also disappointed at myself for not strongly towncasing goof better and Snow better.
BatCatHat just felt like the other wolf. Shrug.
I can't find every wolf. I usually get 2-3, and here I was, with 2-3.
And called the bussing out, too.
Good game. Not good enough, but it never is. Always improve.
Rogan, sorry you don't like my style, but town never would have won this game if I didn't put your bussing to bed.
And town didn't win because they didnt put your bussing to bed.
AV ruled the town after I died, therefore, town didn't fight back hard enough.
Good game.
Individual townies gave great performances.
Town as a whole did pretty okay.
Wolves had a beast in AVecna. Good d1 distancing between Rogan and Vecna.
Very well played, woofers.
Popo get you next time!
Adds 3 wolves to pile of accused/voted wolves.
Sees town still dead, is sad. But hey, I was beat legitimately by good method acting.
No one ever comes back from my assaults when theyre a wolf.
Should have known it would have taken a God of Death to defeat the Guardian of Earth.
Peace. Was fun playing with blades again.
Gonna be gone now, back to the shadows with me. Got infant daughter to care for.
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Also I loathe spoiled dead chats.
Not because of the people in there, but because when people get spoiled, they start to form like a smug mob mentality against anyone who guessed wrong.
It may not have happened here, but it happens a lot in spoiled spec and dead chats in places I play, so I just avoid them like the plague.
I never even want to see inside, and I dislike spoilers.
I also warned people about gac being town, and not to push there, in addititon to Goof, but.... I was dead, and quickly forgotten. And Snow still had popo bucks.
Ah, Goof.
I don't know if you earned funbucks, but you became a stronger townread than anyone except my blues due to the Xihirli unpairing, and so did Snow.
So neither of you should ever have died.
Hitting BatCat was easy because his iso looked like the last wolf. Shrug.
If Popo not actually know the answer, he guess wrong when wrong answer look correct. It happens.
Sorry about that. At least guessed Rogan right, and Emmy, reversed on Xi when wolves bussed Xi, and found townies from bussed Xi and accused Rogan off of bussed Xi.
But no protection for Popo means I cant do more than that. 3 wolves accused is a lot.
If not enough then.... yeah.
Still my fault for townclearing Vecna. Did amaze job.
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Didnt read everything, here is my personal quicktopic.
https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/3R87Cz8jDDw
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2021-09-24, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2014
Re: Love Letter Mafia
This is why I aimed to get handmaid. I figured everybody knows wolves know handmaid is in unused, so if prince takes it out, everybody knows wolves know I have it, so they aim the kill elsewhere. I get to kill every night, and nobody suspects me because they think I'm only safe from being perma-baned.
But if wolves win because they have partners alive, before f3, then game too short for you to die for being deep.
GG well played for smoking me, AV.
Deep wolves are good. Glad to have gotten punked. It's been a while since someone legit fooled me.
I'm definitely gonna need to incorporate some of the methods you mentioned in your process, and I probably need to figure out scumleans more scientifically like is done there, rather than what I've been doing. It works well enough, but as you said, there's always room to improve.
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2021-09-24, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2021
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- The Lookout
Re: Love Letter Mafia
Why I am happy you smoked me is because otherwise I am not learning something new.
I want my guide to be a good read, a useful read.
If someone reads my guide and then runs into you, I want them to be ready.
I wasn't.
Literally 500 games and no one has done what you did to me. Well played, shake hands, deeply admirable wolfing.
Genius level. Mainly WIM, but also, the d1 unpairing usually works and it failed here for you.
Worked on every other wolf and locked a lot of townies town, but nooooot quite good enough.
Whenever we are GLORIOUS but noooot quite glorious enough, that means we can improve the process.
Process worked.
Doesn't look pretty when it keeps bumping into walls but look at end result of rounds:
1) Villager that was really hard to sort as not wolfy, still unvoted before end of round but wagons couldnt change.
2) Wolf
3) Wolf
4) Dead, but pointing at Wolf.
Process works.
It is sloppy, but gets there in the end and sweeps all the scums, usually. Like a Roomba.
But even a Roomba that does the whole room over and over can sometimes get stuck and miss a spot.
Need entire village to double check Roomba's work, see if any spots still dirty.
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I enjoyed everything about you, Supagoof.
It makes me sad I can't join the next game you are in and just sit and enjoy the whole thing with you.
Our time together was too short. Wish we had more.
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HAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA
That makes Mr Popo feel very good.
If you have to go that ham and that hard and screw up your real life to pull a fast one on Mr Popo then I have absolutely done my job and presented you with a worrysome challenge.
Kudos to you, and warm appreciations for the respeck.
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I don't borrow dead player's reads.
I did confirm you suspected Rogan, after I did on my own.
Felt good man.
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Always ask why the most widely townread player never got night killed.
Thats why it is dangerous to be so widely townread.
Wolf team was able to steal handmaiden role, which means that wolves have an excuse to never be nightkilled.
Which destroys analysis.
Doctors destroy town analysis.
It's usually simple: Towniest player ever lives entire game, all other wolves dead, bussed them all?
That's bussing.
Invert your town to wolf list at the end. Popo has done it many times.
Doctor screws that up.
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Probably would ask that this sort of play doesn't happen in future games, because A) its not very good for town and B) it is almost the same as out of game communication, like PMing someone.
It's a workaround the rule of no private communication.
No rule against it, so it is legal here, no problem for me. You were creative.
I am just suggesting this loophole get closed for all future games.
We could have used a town handmaiden, after all.
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2021-09-24, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2014
Re: Love Letter Mafia
Can't realize things that didn't happen. Here's quotes for you:
Originally Posted by scumchat #21 (AV)Originally Posted by scumchat #28 (AV)Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-09-24 at 05:33 PM.
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2021-09-24, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2021
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Mr Popo has been acting confident they can't be killed the whole game. It might be a ruse, it might be the truth that he wants us to think is a ruse. Thinking about whether or not to kill Mr Popo is playing into his hands somehow, and he's another old gamer returning to the community, so I'm disinclined to kill him immediately - if that happens too often, it might drive him away, and I'm more concerned with the community than the individual game.
Now with 3 week old daughter and nearly 2 year old son, and wife needing my help, this is quits again for the foreseeable future.
You can't drive me away, I quit!
I was always going to be a cameo here. Wanted to play with AV and Bladescape again specifically, and they did not disappoint.
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2021-09-25, 12:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Apr 2011
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- Australia
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
"Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
My almighty and all knowing extended Signature lies HERE! Now includes awesome quotes!
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2021-09-25, 03:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2021
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- The Lookout
Re: Love Letter Mafia
Hey Vecna, this game ended my town winning streak.
I mean, the memes game did as well, but that was an entirely image based game.
This was the proper game that ended my town dominance. Quite the feather in your cap, you proper Capo di Tutti Capi.
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2021-09-25, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2021
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- The Lookout
Re: Love Letter Mafia
i just realized I had a near epic day one when I made the third vote on Vecna.
Oooooooooooo that stings a bit.
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2021-09-25, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2006
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- Da Goof (x3)..Is On Fire!
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Re: Love Letter Mafia